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Old 02-10-2010, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If someone wants to smoke a plant that grows on this God-made world, do I have the right to take away his liberties, and imprison him? What about if he ingests a mushroom that has psychedelic properties? Should I toss him in jail for doing that? Why are these actions illegal?
These actions are illegal because of the high direct and indirect cost to society of the behaviors of addicts. I think we can all see what alcohol (natural) and tobacco (also natural) has done...no need to let more crap into the foray.

Or...make everything legal and refuse health care (including emergency health care) to anyone who has a complication from it...and toss anyone committing any crime under the influence immediately in jail for life. That's the compromise I'll make.

And yes...if you make it legal, there is a HUGE segment of the population who will think that means it's 'ok' and 'safe.' Just look at the supplement market...billions of dollars in that industry, many side effects, worthless products, and no quality control whatsoever.
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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There is no prohibition against doing so, nor is there a anything that prevents the government from enacting prohibitions.

It's not a Constitutional issue, and even if it was, there is nothing preventing them from making narcotics a controlled substance.

And before you go off on the various amendments again, understand that the Constitution is a guide, not a strictly-followed playbook. You want it to be literally and narrowly interpreted, but that's never going to happen. No court does it because the Constitution was never meant to be a go-to guide for answers. It was left intentionally vague and open for interpretation because the guys that wrote it were really, really smart and wisely thought that the best course of action. They knew that there were things that couldn't anticipate, and problems and situations that would arise that would be completely alien to them. That's why they got real vague when it came to defining the lines that make up our laws.

Now, obviously, this little history / legal lesson will fly right over your head, but I felt some obligation to try.
Were you taught this in an accredited school?
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Fraser,MI
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Default Listen up

The private sector will create anything to make money and protect it. Saying its in your best interest to use them. I say legalize it and mass produce it. open places to sell it and tax it. This will create jobs. The cash will flow in and create a better economy and also allow us to get high. Its A right to get high or no?



Mortgage companies
Banks
Insurance
extended warranties (get rid of these businesses)


What about 401K?


Our government creates the so called war on drugs so hows that going? We have a war on terrorism also. None of these wars will end , just like drinking and driving.
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:36 PM
 
Location: central pa
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Thanx for the clarification.
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Old 02-11-2010, 04:02 AM
 
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These actions are illegal because of the high direct and indirect cost to society of the behaviors of addicts. I think we can all see what alcohol (natural) and tobacco (also natural) has done...no need to let more crap into the foray.
Great argument!
What other things do you consider to have a "high cost to society"?

Let's ban all junk food (heart disease #1 killer in america), driving, flying, any sort of "high risk" activity. But wait, if people sit around all day they get fat, lethargic, and unhealthy. So let's mandate exercise! But wait, exercise can cause injury!

I guess the only way to prevent people being a "risk" to "society" is to kill everyone. But wait, then there's no society...
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Old 02-11-2010, 04:05 AM
 
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I agree. How would we cope with all the people driving under the influence of drugs other than alcohol?
with all the police that would have loads of free time on their hands, that's how! while they're at it, they might try and stop or punish real crimes where there is a victim
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Old 02-11-2010, 04:14 AM
 
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If someone wants to smoke a plant that grows on this God-made world, do I have the right to take away his liberties, and imprison him? What about if he ingests a mushroom that has psychedelic properties? Should I toss him in jail for doing that? Why are these actions illegal? Can we afford to continue to spend billions a year trying to prevent this sort of behaviour, and imprison people whose only crime was to use or sell drugs? If you had the choice between seeing your policemen and firemen laid off and libraries closed, or legalizing drigs, which would you choose?

sadly not going to happen! you better believe that when this NEOCON president leaves office, he'll be replaced by another NEOCON who has no understanding of the constitution, individual rights etc
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Old 02-11-2010, 04:44 AM
 
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sadly not going to happen! you better believe that when this NEOCON president leaves office, he'll be replaced by another NEOCON who has no understanding of the constitution, individual rights etc
You're right. There has been a steady rightward shift in American politics and I don't think it's going to change any time soon.

Whenever Obama is called a socialist, I wish it was a reality instead of another neocon lie.
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Old 02-11-2010, 05:19 AM
 
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You're right. There has been a steady rightward shift in American politics and I don't think it's going to change any time soon.

Whenever Obama is called a socialist, I wish it was a reality instead of another neocon lie.

well i'm not sure i'd call it a 'right' thing because the left right paradigm has become so heavily distorted
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Old 02-11-2010, 05:31 AM
 
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well i'm not sure i'd call it a 'right' thing because the left right paradigm has become so heavily distorted
agreedo
pretend i said "reactionary-conservative-populist"
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