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Dude, I'm 17, and as foolish as this may sound I think there should be a new group that agrees with both. Only huge thing that I can truly see NO point in conservatives saying no to is pot legalization and abortion. I mean legalizing pot has so much evidence to be such a good idea, and the reason people turn it down seems to be tough stubborn conservative values, the imagine in their head that its "wrong" and thats just that. Other than those two things, I agree with both sides on a lot, and I think both sides should sit down and have a civilized and non biased discussion how to come to a common ground for true peace and productivity. Legalize pot, and conservatives are officially back to making sense to me, just like liberals. Lets just all get along... We only live once. Abortion to me is just a choice and I don't want to debate it because It's too annoying to debate. I have a "eh whatever happens happens" attitude towards gay marriage, because im not gay therefor the outcome of that debate will not affect me though admittedly I often wonder why any one cares and how much could be accomplished debating other more important things (not to say that It isn't important, but imagine what could be accomplished if we just said "OK you can get married" and moved on to other more prominent issues). I only wonder what we could all accomplish if we agreed to disagree and negotiate. Any way thats just my 2 cents, sorry if i sound like a hippie :/.
Last edited by progressivepeace01; 02-08-2012 at 05:56 PM..
It is still taught to kids, but in general, the more some of these older people die out, we'll become more progressive. Why do you think hardcore racists and conservatives are relegated to small towns where no one wants to go?
I don't know how old you are, but that is some pretty mature wisdom.
To expound on that a bit, what we see from the very beginning of our country is a blend of conservative, libertarian and liberal ideas, each there to balance idealism with reality. The constitution was built upon a foundation of conservative ideals, balanced by liberal elements. The structure and limitations of federal powers - classic conservative libertarianism, with the liberal mechanisms of a democratic process of electing representatives of the people.
The founding fathers actually abhorred democracy as societal structure, knowing that it always leads to mob rule, where the majority could, and would trample the rights of the individual. Consequently, they constructed the nation upon a constitutional republic model.
The real dichotomy in modern liberalism is that it professes to cater to the individual, and the minority, while painting conservatism as the compassionless oppressor. The exact opposite is actually true from a historical perspective. Democracy is a liberal construct ... as is socialism and communism ... all promising fairness, but delivering nothing but equal distribution of despair, and authoritarian rule by the state.
What has occurred, and where we find ourselves today is a struggle between extremes ... the extreme left versus the extreme right, combining not the best, but the worst elements of each, creating the disaster we now have.
To illustrate this, lets take an innocuous subject like a driver license as an example. A pure constitutionalist/Libertarian would argue that it's an affront to freedom to even require a driver license in that it could be used to restrict the rights of free travel, ignoring the value of ensuring that drivers are properly trained in order to protect the safety and general welfare of all travelers on the highways. On the far left, the liberals argue for the right of a Muslim to wrap their head with cloth so as to make personal identification impossible for the purpose of a driver license photo, leaving all of the objectionable elements of the requirement in place, while eliminating any particular value of it.
That's a simple example, but illustrates the nonsensical nature of extremism. A more sound approach would be a more moderate view that everyone should agree to ... have a driver license requirement for the purpose of ensuring the safety of the highways, including data necessary to properly identify the holder to ensure the integrity of the process, while preventing efforts to add more and more caveats and restrictions to securing and maintaining said license. Similarly, associated laws such as drunk driving began as a means to ensure safety by getting intoxicated drivers off the road ... a good idea turned bad as liberal extremists have now pushed the law to the point of tyrannical conduct and prosecution for having a beer with a slice of pizza, which could now land you in jail. It's no longer a safety measure ... it's now a huge money making venture for the state, law enforcement, and the court systems. And if the extremists could have their way, I'm sure they'd choose to make it a capital crime and life without parole for first offenders in absence of any actual damage done. In fact, I submit that if we ever succumb to technology that could identify thought crime, it will be a band of heavy handed liberals who will line up to promote it.
The extremist liberal mind is a diseased mind that can not be allowed to prevail in a society that values freedom and liberty. Moderate liberalism has it's place, along side moderate conservatism, while extremism on either end is nothing but separate paths to the same undesirable destination.
Since most young people today consider the ethnophobic, homophobic, and socially unaware mentality of today's conservatives "uncool" will that political philosophy be tossed onto the ash heap of American history?
When they grow up and see the utter daftness of the left, this new generation.. Or the next, will relegate the left to the "radical, senseless minority" that it is.
Eventually, reality wins, when people find that the promises of the left are absolutely false.
Since most young people today consider the ethnophobic, homophobic, and socially unaware mentality of today's conservatives "uncool" will that political philosophy be tossed onto the ash heap of American history?
Wanting to be free and have liberty, will never die for any species.
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