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Old 02-08-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Y-Town Area
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Kids into a closet? Huh?

Wrong, I did not hate the man at all. What I hate is his lack of experience, lack of decision making skills ( shows up in his voting record ) his background and list of friends and associates, and his anti America ways and ideals.
go sell that manure someplace else

You are one of those who believe in your mind that people hated him from the start because of the color of his skin. Well, I can tell you something and you will learn it.
and unfortunately there are those who will try to negate that his skin color is not an issue with them but we all know better

Those people who you believe hate him gave him a chance to get into this office so it is NOT hate or racism at all like you are suggesting.
he has never been given the chance. All votes from Repubs are No.

And I know he is NOT black, so using the secret word hate instead of racism wont work on me.
his father was from Africa. You have a problem.

If you cannot see what this man is doing to this country then you are in deep pooo.
Bush/Cheney did their best to destroy this country while YOU did nothing ! Now you want to blame everything on the person who is trying to clean up the mess.

In the small town where I grew up Obama has nearly destroyed it with his record job losses.
How could Obama do that ? He's a very powerful force then and not like what you've been saying at all.

While he was spending all day and all night working on a HC bill that would only help a very small percentage of people he caused the losses of thousands of jobs.
again see above. Your logic, or lack of, is mind boggling !

Many plants and small factories have closed in that town since Obama took over. Without those jobs other businesses suffer.
you might want to start back when Bush/Cheney brought us into a war under false pretenses and took the country into the red farther than it's ever been. There are your culprits.

Thanks to Obama that small town looks like a ghost town now.
again, you need to go back further to Bush/Cheney who caused the deficit in the first place !

List of places that have closed thanks to Obamas failure to keep jobs under check and worked on a FAILED HC crap bill.
see Bush/Cheney

One Dairy Queen gone.
One Hardware Store gone. ( Opened in 1950's )
One 4 generation grocery store gone.
One pizza shop gone ( Opened in 1979)
One pit BBQ store gone.
2 gas stations gone.
Two car lots gone. Both major dealers at one time.
One Wendys gone. ( how many of these have you seen closed?)
One Hallmark store gone.
One drugstore gone.
see Bush/Cheney

4 plants and many small busineses have closed costing thousands of jobs for the town.
see Bush/Cheney


One more plant planning on closing soon.
see Bush/Cheney
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And this is just one small town.

Obamas failure to work on the correct issue has refaced small town America. Many are looking the same way.

Thanks to him, generations of families have lost their homes, businesses and lives.

THANKS OBAMA for killing the America dream and small town USA.

Obama, the man who killed the real America we all used to know.
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You are mad at the wrong administration. This administration hasn't even been in office long enough to do anything you claim. It all comes from the previous administration---Bush/Cheney. They are the ones who brought this country into the red as never before.
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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What incredibly pungent and odious bullsh*t. Bush could do no wrong. He was cheerleaded all the way through by a lapdog media and bozos like you for eight long years. He was untouchable; some kind of Forest Gump turned Golden Boy. And, as is par for the course, you're missing the point of this thread entirely. The OP is attempting to bring your innate hypocrisy to light. The point being that even when Bush was f*ucking up big time you said nothing and yet you irrationally deride the current president's every move. What sore losers.

As John Stewart once said: You lost! It's supposed to taste like a sh*t sandwhich.

Deal with it. I did.

Signed: A U.S. Army veteran of Desert Storm and political moderate.
Your post is irrational rantings. First of all who is "you?" Newsflash, Bush is not a conservative, and we conservatives will tell you so. Secondly, you're quoting a man who constantly tells you that his news is fake and it's for entertainment purposes only, yet you still think it's real. Here's a tip, instead of drooling at every word that falls from your Marxist Sociology 101 professors mouth, question them. The next time they tell you how diverse their beliefs are, ask them how many conservatives are in the sociology department, and when they go, "uh, uh, uh..." ask them why diversity doesn't apply to their workplace. Question liberal indoctrination, or the 4 years that you went to college will be money that your parents threw out the window.
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90 View Post
For ME and MANY OTHERS.

I did very well under Bush. VERY WELL.

So did many other small businesses that I dealt with for many years.

Many small business I had communication and did business with while Bush was in office did very, very well.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Bush helped tons of small business people who were NOT rich at all.

The rep congress gave YOU a chance, if you did not see the help they opportunity they handed to you then that was your fault.


What has the dem congress done for the common person in the last 3 years?


Unemployment has steadily risen.
Gas prices gone up.
Homes have been foreclosed in record numbers.
The list goes on and on.

The common person you refer to have ALL suffered under the dems control.

They love to keep people POOR.
You sidestepped my questions by giving very vague answers. Don't fret, I did not count on more than that. What is amazing is that you are making an insinuation that if you do have problems now, it is because Obama is in office. Don't you have the capacity to look back in retrospect as to why we are we are now? You do not have to answer that either because it is a rhetorical question. Quite honestly, I do not know what type of business you are in, but If it's selling Avon, I hear things are picking up. You really ought to pay attention to the people that are impeding and fillibusting any good from getting done in Congress. I do not even know why I responded to this because I really do not expect too much of a response by way of logical debate and researching the issues. You are one of those that does not make decisions based on party lines and not on a representatives voting record. The Bush Crime Family put us in the toilet and your okay with that...amazing!
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Y-Town Area
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Paddle faster ...I hear banjos !
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got ousted....she wasnt covert...her own husband even said that

Yes she was covert - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak

Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment

no she wasnt

Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date of Novak's column.

The Post's Bob Woodward testified that Armitage told him on June 13, 2003, rather colorfully: Wilson's "wife's a [expletive] analyst at the agency."

The CIA is well aware of the requirements of the law protecting the identity of covert officers and agents. I know, because in 1982, as chief counsel to the Senate intelligence committee, I negotiated the terms of that legislation between the media and the intelligence community. Even if Plame's status were "classified"--Fitzgerald never introduced one piece of evidence to support such status -- no law would be violated.

There is no better evidence that the CIA was only covering its rear by requesting a Justice Department criminal investigation than the fact that it sent a boiler-plate referral regarding a classified leak and not one addressing the elements of a covert officer's disclosure.

By Victoria Toensing

Trial in Error - washingtonpost.com


According to CIA veterans, U.S. intelligence officers working in American embassies under "diplomatic cover" are almost invariably known to friendly and opposition intelligence services alike.


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Old 02-08-2010, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Yeah but even then, it costs money. I am making around 80 a week. Need gas for the car and tuition. It sucks.

You are the kind of person that even if Obama cured cancer, you would hate him. If made abortion illegal, you would still hate him. He could feed each and every hungry child in the world and you would still hate him.

Has it ever run through your mind that Bush/Cheney ****ed it up SO BAD that Obama cannot just fix it in a year? Of course I know better than to argue with the likes of you though.
what did he do in this year to fix it? Did the 1.9 trillion dollar deficit fix it? Does next years 1.8 trillion dollar deficit fix it?
Did he close gitmo? Did he fix that?
Did he open the health hearings up to cspan did he fix that?
Did his promise if we passed his stimulus that unemployment would not go above 8.5% did he fix that?
What with 100% power to do whatever he want did he fix?
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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We had eight years of Bush and Cheney. Now you get mad !

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and
appointed a President..

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got ousted.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said
illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq .

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America
deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies,
corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all
okay with you, but helping other Americans... oh hell no.
I was mad at the above, but also get mad when someone plagiarizes a clever post.

Give credit where due.
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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But look at the deficit rise in just one year with Obama and nothing to show for it. Same as democrats have been in control of congress for right at 3 years and they have raised the defcit limit 5 times;twice in 2 months.To quopte Obama ;this can not be sustained.Wait until the bill comes due for the foreseeable future.
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are mad at the wrong administration. This administration hasn't even been in office long enough to do anything you claim. It all comes from the previous administration---Bush/Cheney. They are the ones who brought this country into the red as never before.
you dont get it

this is not a bush problem,,it goes well before him

and obama is CONTINUING the problem and making it worse

there are TWO problems right now, that is causing 'wall street' to collapse............JOBS and HOUSING...and they go back to BEFORE bush



let this INFORM you, these problems stem from: 1993, 1995, and 1999 and you can thank the liberals for it, and most of it goes back to the clinton era. why because ECONOMICS run in 10(+/-4) year CYCLES and what we are facing NOW is in DIRECT RELATION to what happened back in the 90's

1993 NAFTA-originally pushed by Brezezenki and his puppet carter,,moved along by reagan----negotiated by another brezezenki puppet bush1--- passed in 1993 by the democrat controlled congress, pushed by clinton, signed by clinton-inceased with CAFTA by bush2--the consequence ...... 60+ million HIGH PAYING jobs have been lost, 2 trillion worth of debt from the lost wages.(and obamy wants to increase it too,,,hmmm)

1995 clinton (through his chief of HUD (Henry Cisneros and later his second chief andrew coumo)) eased the rules on obtaining mortgages allowing more 'exotic' mortgages and 'no-doc/low doc' mortgages-----the consequence ......housing SKYROCKETED causing low inventories causing a 'not normal' increase in home prices, sellers got greedy, buyers got even greedier (looking to PROFIT in a skyrocketing market by flipping) and bought THINKING that prices would still increase and their ADJUSTABLE mortgage would pay it self off in MINIMUMAL years...EVEN THOUGH THESE INCREASES IN HOME VALUES WERE TOTALLY UNHEARD OF, AND MORTGAGE RATES WERE AT 40 YEAR LOWS( what did they think an adjustable mortgage gotten at 40 year lows would do in the term(3 months-3years) when it adjusted...of course it would go up, their CONTRACT even said after the term it would be 6% PLUS PRIME)))
For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."
The above is the start of the mortgage meltdon: Clinton's National Homeownership Strategy

1996 clinton signed The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it allowed industry consolidation whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 30 in 1993 to 10 in 1996, and reducing the 10 in 1996 to 6 in 2005.) causing MONOPOLIES, which can RAISE PRICES
1998 clinton does not allow drilling for OUR OWN OIL..the liberals say 'it will take ten years before we seee the oil'...guess what its been ten years
1999 Clinton DEREGULATES the banking industry
2000 clinton signs the China trade bill
2000 clinton signs the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000..(which paves the way for ENRON)
2000/1 clinton pushes to get china into the world bank
2003/4/5 republicans try to reighn in fanny and freddie...the liberal opposition leaders (barney frank and cris Dodd) say "there is nothing wrong with fanny/freddy..its a witch hunt"........boy does barney have egg on his face now
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.you mean with the clipper device under clinton,,,or the fact that Obama has continued the policy???

Clinton did not violate FISA. Bush committed multiple felonies by ignoring the FISA warrant requirement.
if bush committed felonies then way hasnt holder charged him???

why is obama CONTINUEING the same policies???

clinton didnt violate????



Clinton Administration Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick: "(T)he Department Of Justice Believes, And The Case Law Supports, That The President Has Inherent Authority To Conduct Warrantless Physical Searches For Foreign Intelligence Purposes And That The President May, As Has Been Done, Delegate This Authority To The Attorney General." (Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick, Permanent Select Committee On Intelligence, U.S. House Of Representatives, Testimony, 7/14/94)

In 1994, President Clinton Expanded The Use Of Warrantless Searches To Entirely Domestic Situations With No Foreign Intelligence Value Whatsoever. In A Radio Address Promoting A Crime- Fighting Bill, Mr. Clinton Discussed A New Policy To Conduct Warrantless Searches In Highly Violent Public Housing Projects." (Charles Hurt, "'Warrantless' Searches Not Unprecedented," The Washington Times, 12/22/05)

"One Of The Most Famous Examples Of Warrantless Searches In Recent Years Was The Investigation Of CIA Official Aldrich H. Ames, Who Ultimately Pleaded Guilty To Spying For The Former Soviet Union. That Case Was Largely Built Upon Secret Searches Of Ames' Home And Office In 1993, Conducted Without Federal Warrants." (Charles Hurt, "'Warrantless' Searches Not Unprecedented," The Washington Times, 12/22/05)

President Bill Clinton: "(T)he Attorney General Is Authorized To Approve Physical Searches, Without A Court Order, To Acquire Foreign Intelligence Information For Periods Of Up To One Year ..." (President Bill Clinton, Executive Order 12949, "Foreign Intelligence Physical Searches," 2/9/95)

The Clinton administration did use the Oklahoma City bombing as an excuse to enact sweeping new federal powers — such as restricting the right of habeas corpus and expanding use of wiretaps — even though proponents were unable to point to a single example where civil-liberties protections prevented the police from deterring terrorism.

Clinton, Gore & Company, who constituted the most wiretap-friendly administration in U.S. history, essentially sought to eliminate the requirement of a warrant for searches from the Fourth Amendment. The president claimed to possess "inherent authority to conduct warrant-less searches for foreign intelligence purposes." The administration required public-housing residents to sign away their constitutional right that authorities procure a warrant to search their dwellings and personal property. The Justice Department backed warrant-less (indeed, suspicion-less) drug tests for high-school athletes. The administration requested greater FBI authority to conduct "roving wiretaps," without a court order. In the same way, Clinton-Gore officials pushed the Communications Assistance Act, which required telephone companies to retrofit their systems to ease police surveillance, supported restrictions on the sale of Internet encryption technology, and requested legislation forcing firms to give the government the "keys" to such technology.




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President Obama's Justice Department has adopted a legal stance identical to, if not more aggressive than, the Bush version. It argues that the court-forced disclosure of the surveillance programs would cause "exceptional harm to national security" by exposing intelligence sources and methods. Last Friday the Ninth Circuit denied the latest emergency motion to dismiss, again kicking matters back to Judge Walker.




take your spin else where, I know the TRUTH
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