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It's not playing victim Oakland. It's reality. The dems sat on their hands when they had a chance. Why? Because they know that a good chunk of the voting public does not like their plan. When they lost the super- majority it was safe to start pointing fingers at the GOP for being the party of NO. Now if health care doesn't pass it isn't the dems, it's those bad bad republicans.
Who's playing the victim???
Wrong, they were waiting for the right to come up with a better plan. Low and behold nothing. They don't want a plan.
Why should they? If the majority of the country is against it that should speak for itself.
You're absolutely right, and besides, with the Democrats, and Obama, things are never what they seem; this is a trap. They need to get Republicans on board one way or another.
Republicans should reject his "offer", because we know he has no intention of compromise, or backing away from a complete take over. He just wants Republicans to "hang" with the Democrats.
Right now, the public knows this is entirely a Democrat plan. They hate them for it. If Republicans join them, just when their numbers are going up (approval numbers), they will be back to square one, and Democrats will be the winners. That's what they want.
You're absolutely right, and besides, with the Democrats, and Obama, things are never what they seem; this is a trap. They need to get Republicans on board one way or another.
Republicans should reject his "offer", because we know he has no intention of compromise, or backing away from a complete take over. He just wants Republicans to "hang" with the Democrats.
Right now, the public knows this is entirely a Democrat plan. They hate them for it. If Republicans join them, just when their numbers are going up (approval numbers), they will be back to square one, and Democrats will be the winners. That's what they want.
CAUTION REPUBLICANS: DON'T TAKE THE BAIT!
What are those republican numbers again? LOL yeah thought so. Paranoia is fun.
What is there to debate about. What does it have to do with Republicans when Democrats COULDNT pass health care on their own. Republicans want nothing to do with Obama led Dem's Single Payer Plan, it would be the end of their career. And what's the point of talking to Obama when he flip-flops so ofter, Republicans and Independents don't trust him. When the economy's booming and there's a honest broker on your side, then we can start talking about true health care reform again.
they're not chickening out, they are p-wording out. They're still upset at how they got PWND in their own house, so they are going to sit in their corners and hold their hands over their eyes until Obama goes away. Trouble is .. he's not.
What you think they are doing (acting like children — apparently), is not what they are doing.
The Republicans know the disaster that is facing this country under Obama. They refuse to have any part of it.
That is what is happening. To bad you are not politically savy enough to realize that. You are too blinded by you liberalism to see the truth in what is happeing. Good. That works to our advantage. Please keep those blinders on. We love it!
If O is willing to sit down with Iran with no preconditions then he can sit down with the GOP under the same rules. He's not willing to do that. He's said the Dem. HC bill has to be the starting point. The GOP wants a clean slate. So until O is ready to talk with no preconditions I don't see any reason why the GOP should throw him a lifeline. It's his HC plan the country does not want and which he's hoping the GOP will help save so it's up to him to be flexible and bipartisan.
Is one third now a majority? Is that the "new math"? Obviously you attended public (government) schools.
Obviously you read the same papers as Sarah Palin. Imaginary ones. It's a fact most Americans want some form of reform. Again, Fact. F-A-C-T or F-A-C-K for your kind.
Well, that is not entirely true, now is it? Why? Because there were three Republicans and three Dems on the panel who decided what goes in, or out of the bill. The gang of six. Many parts were modified and/or removed at the request of Republicans. Remember Grassley removing the "end of life concelling"? Yep, yep, he made a big deal out of it and then it was revealed that he actually voted for it in 2003.
And the current bill includes many truly bi-partisan elements such as:
- remove caps
- remove pre-conditions clauses
- allow across state lines sales (insurance exchange)
And those three are the three biggest changes in the bill. They are all bi-partisan.
So, it is pretty dishonest for them to insist they have been completely shut out. Such claim is a partisan trick, and they need to give it up, because the truth is out by now.
You are correct, there were a few odd weeks where the democrats did not have their 60 vote senate tyranny, it was not a solid 12 months.
There are a few portions of the various democrat health care bills that were appealing to both parties, but do not try to suggest that the reason they were there was to appease the republicans, because for most of the year they did not need any republican votes.
If O is willing to sit down with Iran with no preconditions then he can sit down with the GOP under the same rules. He's not willing to do that. He's said the Dem. HC bill has to be the starting point. The GOP wants a clean slate. So until O is ready to talk with no preconditions I don't see any reason why the GOP should throw him a lifeline. It's his HC plan the country does not want and which he's hoping the GOP will help save so it's up to him to be flexible and bipartisan.
As I said, they think they're in control again.
They are stonewalling.
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