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Old 02-14-2010, 04:22 AM
 
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He certainly would not have increased spending by 25%. In fact, he advocated a spending freeze.

We would be $1 Trillion less in the hole, since McCain would not have had a failed stimulus.

Iran would be under harsh, tough sanctions.

Our friends and allies would not feel snubbed and abandoned by the US.

There would be no "US rights for terrorists", they would be tried in military courts.

For starters.
The Good:
He wouldn't be bowing to every two-bit monarch.
Our Generals in Afghanistan would have had their full quotas of troops in a more expeditious manner.
He'd have a Vice-President that would make U.S. proud!
No Joe Biden
No ObaMao
Socialistic HealthCare would not be on the agenda.
Cap and Trade would be a distant memory.
Card Check? not hardly.
Global Warming / Climate change.... no
No terrorist loving Attorney General Holder
No card-carrying Communist Czars in the Administration.
No tax-cheats in the Administration.
No perverts or deranged Czars.
No Sotomayor
No SEIU agenda (indicted)
No Acorn funds (indicted)
No Soros (indicted and deported)
No TSA union idiot/perverts body-scanning grandmothers, wives and babies

The Bad:
No Christie in New Jersey?
No Bob McDonnell in Virginia?
No Scott Brown in Massachussetts?
No Conservatives willing to run?


The Ugly:
No ideologue as President that understands the threat of Liberals/Progressives to Our Constitution and Capitalism.
Lindsey GrrhAmnesty
Joe LiverLipsLieberman
Nobody to close the gates at the Southern Border


The "really" Ugly:
No Tea Party Movement ?!?!
American Voters still asleep at the wheel.

Wake up America, Now is the Time! Tyranny is pushing Liberty out the door. She only has a toe-hold ! Let's help her PUSH BACK!!!
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:34 AM
 
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Please list your qualifications as an economist.

You don't know what you're talking about. Can you talk to us about your thoughts on philosophy? Sure, and I'll even agree with you on certain things. As an arm-chair economist, you know little more than my 6th grade nephew about what stimuli would or wouldn't have affected the economy and what might have happened. Even my uber-conservative, small-business owning boss, concedes that without the bank stimulus, he wasn't sure what might happen to the economy. Granted, he wasn't for it because he felt it should come crashing down (and I agree).

Moreover, if you don't think a Republican would have saved the banking system and the U.S. dollar in an event where it appeared there could be an impending crash, then you're so full of partisan s%*t that you don't know which way is up.

You'll realize real quick that there isn't a whole lot separating Republicans and Democrats.
You're reading an awful lot into what she did not say dud e.
Chill out Mr.Drysdale
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Sure.. the stimulus bill saved us all.. Thank god for the stimulus bill.. I dont know how we survived without Obama for 200+ years
I'm glad you are finally starting to understand, grasshopper.

Go forth and sin no more.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:36 AM
 
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Now that you're done editing your post (I think), I'll comment:

1. I never said (s)he was wrong. In fact, if you re-read my post, you'll notice that I actually said I'd agree with he(r) on many political philosophies, but what I took umbrage was in the definitive nature of the post, as if she knew a) what would actually be different, and b) what effect that would or wouldn't have economically.

Basing on the amount of rep points I've received in about 5 minutes time, I'm guessing that quite a few agree with this sentiment.

2. Before you edited your post, it said that you wondered why I didn't say the same to the folks before that post. Consider it said. We speak so definitively and it really gets to a point that becomes so partisan that there is little real sentiment left. It doesn't matter which side it is.

You can now choose to review much of my posts, if you'd like, and find that my stances are often times quite conservative and often times quite liberal, dependent on the subject at hand.

3. TARP was in fact, NOT completed by the time the McCain/Obama election took place. Bush and Obama both played a hand in the release of TARP funds.

4. Have a good day.
Feeble attempt at back-pedalling.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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About 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 less in debt.
The number here is One Sextillion. There has never been that much money.

Obviously the McCain supporters are no better at math than they are at politics or economics. McCain himself admitted as much, but after the fact you seem to have forgotten that.

Cheer up - you only have to wait until 2017 or so to get the change you want. Unless, of course, you can't find anyone anyone better than McCain/Palin/JTP/Gingrich/Dead Fred/Huck/Mitt/Limbaugh/Beck to run.

Sorry - I forgot Palin's Dead Turkey from the Thanksgiving interview.

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There would not have been a $1 Trillion dollar Failed Stimulus with McCain. In fact, he advocated a spending freeze and tax cuts, so we would not be seeing trillion dollar deficits 10+ years out.

Was he going to pay for them with borrowed money like Bush did?

McCain would not have taken over two auto companies either. He would not be dictating to private business how much they can pay their executives either.
Then the companies would have gone belly up and another three to five million people would have been out of work when the support businesses all closed, and we would be in the middle of another Great Depression.
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I think we would at least have been on the road to knowing where we stand if McCain was elected instead of hearing someone just talk good and make rash judgements and doing things that don't seem to be working.
Obama is a flash in the pan that I hope is a one term president.
He has no respect from the other party and his band aid ideas wont work.
Rome wasn't built in a day and our problems wont be fixed in the short term.
It takes someone with long term planning to turn things around instead of someone who thinks it can be done tomorrow.
Too much, too fast, without the ability or experience to have long term foresight as far as seeing good results.
One example is taking less federal tax out of paychecks to "boost the economy" but when tax time comes around people have to pay a big lump sum or make payments because they owe more on April 15 than they expected. I'm one of those people and I am in the lower financial tier of the population.
I don't hate Obama as a person. I didn't vote for him and I don't think he is intentionaly screwing up the country. He just doen't know whats best in the long term and is trying to play in the major leagues when he only has minor league talent. He is in way in over his head.
IMO Bush jr was a terrible president. It's going to take someone with smarts to correct his mess and even more smarts to fix the things that Obama is messing up trying to fix it all at once.
What we need is an FDR clone. Or a JFK. I don't see anyone out there like that.
But McCain would at least be more likely to see the big picture for whats best in the long run even if it meant some hard times in the present.
Obama can't see past tommorow.
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:04 AM
 
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McCain might be realizing about now the fundamentals of the economy were not sound after all when capital seized up tighter than a scotchman's purse last year and wholesale closures of industry and small business occured all at once.

His version of stimulus & jobs for all would mean a war in Iran, perhaps pepper in some North Korea, militarily chasing bogeymen all over the globe when only a surgical strike will work. We'd continue a policy of alienating ourselves throughout the globe because he's never been allowed to be his own man since neocons deboned him & removed his political will in the primary of 2000.

The global meltdown hastened by our own insane deregulatory policies authored by neoconservatives would have every sovereign insisting we pony up every dime or lose our status as benchmark currency. The strain of the office would put him dead tomorrow. Just a few of the what if's.
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:14 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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We'd be praying forMcCain's continued good health
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:08 AM
 
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well McCain would find it hard to counter the neo cons in the republican party as they have hijacked it, esp under G W Bush Jnr. Anyway the republican party is not truely a conservative party now its largely become an neo con party. maybe in 2012 the republicans can shed their neo con image but I would find that very hard to believe.
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Then the companies would have gone belly up and another three to five million people would have been out of work when the support businesses all closed, and we would be in the middle of another Great Depression.
Tax cuts have been shown to increase revenues to the treasury.
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