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Old 08-13-2010, 05:16 PM
 
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People wonder what's happening to America??? When people put dogs and their own egos over HUMANS lives and safety , even over the lives of children....!!!!


There are over 700 breeds of dogs plus many more waiting to be adopted from shelters... so those who insist they own a pitbull to prove a point/boost their ego/show off/hide behind/scare others....have deep psychological problems...





Nothing I have read will change my mind on pitbulls especially the advocates in here especially the one who would kill a child that hit his....PROOF of deep psychological problems...
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Old 08-13-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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LOL, what sort of site is that? again w/ the questionable sites. I wouldn't place the shiba on that list at all. there are far better family pets out there. it's a wonderful breed, but it has its quirks that can make it ill suited for a family (for example, it's a hard breed to train and very independent minded).

according to ATTS testing, the pit bull breeds have scored as high (or HIGHER) as golden retrievers:

SHIBA INU 64.0%
AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER83.9%
GOLDEN RETRIEVER 84.6%
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER86.0%
STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER89.6%
PUG90.9%

I'd trust those results more than a random "hub pages" site

according to the AKC:

Right Breed for You?
The Am Staff is a people-oriented dog that thrives when he is made part of the family and given a job to do. Although friendly, this breed is loyal to his family and will protect them from any threat. His short coat is low-maintenance, but regular exercise and training is necessary.

Right Breed for You?
The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is extremely courageous and obedient, highly intelligent and affectionate with a sense of humor. This, coupled with its affection for its friends, and children in particular, its off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, makes it a foremost all-purpose dog. He looks forward to daily exercise, and his powerful jaws enjoy a supply of sturdy chew toys. While he is a sweet-tempered, affectionate dog, his strength and determination require an experienced owner who can work with him in a firm, but gentle way. The Staffie’s coat is short and smooth, and needs only a quick brushing once a week.

American Kennel Club - American Staffordshire Terrier
American Kennel Club - Staffordshire Bull Terrier
The breeds of dogs commonly known as "pit bulls" include any Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of one or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds; and the breeds of dogs commonly known as "pit bulls" are descended from dogs that were selectively bred for the purpose of competitive dog fighting; and the characteristics selectively bred into or otherwise commonly found in these dogs include:

A strong fighting instinct, together with a low level of
inhibition from fighting which make pit bulls dangerous to
humans as well as to other animals;


A strong chase instinct which, experts believe, causes pit bulls
to be a danger around running children;


A tendency to attack humans and other animals who exhibit no
provocative behavior;


A diminished tendency to bark, growl, or otherwise warn
potential victims of an intent to attack;

A tendency not to cease attacking once engaged, which results
in more severe injuries than those inflicted by other breeds;

The ability to withstand great pain, which makes it difficult
for a person or animal to fight off a pit bull attack;

Powerful jaws capable of crushing bones and hanging on to
victims even while the pit bull withstands infliction of injury or
pain.


http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/temperment.htm (broken link)

Why don't we just agree to disagree. For every site that you present, I can match you with ten others that state otherwise. I'm sure that owners of this breed that have not had a bad experience with their pet, will attest to how affectionate and gentle these dogs are. Nevertheless, they have done much to turn many off and they have been, not without cause, banned in certain places. Good luck to you and your pet and I really wish you the best, but I'll stay with a pet that doesn't have the odds stacked against it tearing my or my neighbor's throat out.
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:20 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Oh GEE, Rachael Ray... This from the same woman who was going around advocating for pit bulls about how lovey and safe and everything they are. Now hers rips off some other dog's ear. Oh, the irony. Who would have EVER thought that a pit bull would do such a thing? It's all so shocking.
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:23 AM
 
Location: The High Seas
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News, Rachael Ray's Pit Bull May Be Put Down
...but will make a fabulous on-the-spot "osso bucco" in a pinch when unexpected company arrives.
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Old 08-14-2010, 01:23 AM
 
Location: James Island, SC
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The Errors of BREED PROFILING

1.) STEREOTYPING: There is no "Pit Bull" breed. It is a slang, derogatory term for a variety of breeds that have been bred from similar lines combining bully breeds with terriers. Most people cannot properly identify the dog breeds that are commonly ascribed the label, and often erroneously categorize breeds that are not even bull-and-terriers as "pit bulls" based on appearance alone (lean, stocky, with large heads).

Another commonly made error is that people think "pit bulls" are large dogs. They are actually medium-sized dogs. When you see a hulking animal with bulging muscles, that is a fighting dog that has been over-trained through abusive methods, and pumped full of steroids by thugs - that is NOT the breed standard.

How can you profile a breed when you don't even know what it is?

Can YOU pick out which one is the "pit bull"?
Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull

2.) MEDIA: The media aren't exactly vigilant about discriminating breeds, either. Not only do they often assume that any dog that bites is a "pit bull" without bothering to confirm it, they intentionally ignore evidence to the contrary. I once responded to an article citing a "pit bull" bite and pointed out that the dog in the picture was definitely NOT even close to resembling a pit bull. Did they run a correction? No. They simply took down the picture!

They are so quick to run with these inflammatory stories, one made national headlines before it was discovered that the "pit bull" in question (accused of chewing off a baby's toes... while its parents weren't in the room, big surprise) was actually a FERRET.


3.) TEMPERAMENT
The American Temperament Test Society (ATTS - American Temperament Test Society, Inc. - ATTS Breed Statistics (http://www.atts.org/statistics.html - broken link))

Scores of the "pit bull" breeds:
American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) 85.3%
American Staffordshire Terrier (AmStaff) 83.9%
Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Staffy) 88%
Bull Terrier 91.2%
Miniature Bull Terrier 100%

Breeds often mistaken for "pit bulls":
Cane Corso 81.2%
Dogo Argentino 90.9%
Dogo Canario 100%
Presa Canario 89.3%

The average passing score for all 122 breeds tested is only 77%. All of the breeds listed above scored higher than the Beagle, Border Collie, Corgi, Chihuahua, Great Dane, & Portuguese Water Dog, to name a few. That's right, "pit bulls" and their lookalikes are all better-behaved than the President's dog.


4.) CHARACTERISTICS: The American Kennel Club has combined the APBT and the AmStaff into one breed, calling them all AmStaffs. So this AKC statement applies to both breeds: "The Am Staff is a people-oriented dog that thrives when he is made part of the family and given a job to do. Although friendly, this breed is loyal to his family and will protect them from any threat."

The AKC statement on the other prevalent "pit bull" breed: "The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is extremely courageous and obedient, highly intelligent and affectionate with a sense of humor. This, coupled with its affection for its friends, and children in particular, its off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, makes it a foremost all-purpose dog."


5.) HUMAN-AGGRESSION Vs. DOG AGGRESSION - Completely separate!
While dog breeds do have different temperaments, and some "pit bulls" can be dog-aggressive, human-aggression is NOT consistent with the history of the breed. In fact, the closer a particular dog is to a dog that was bred for fighting in its family tree, the LESS likely it is to be human-aggressive. Dogfighters historically exterminate or refuse to breed any dog showing human-aggression tendencies.

"The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children... The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable." United Kennel Club: American Pit Bull Terrier (United Kennel Club: American Pit Bull Terrier (Revised November 1, 2008) (http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/AmericanPitBullTerrierRevisedNovember12008 - broken link)) (Revised November 1, 2008)


6.) FATALITIES: This article (Dogbite- Fatal Dog Attacks - MedicineNet - Health and Medical Information Produced by Doctors) cites a study conducted with the combined efforts of the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Humane Society of the United States. Regarding dog bite fatalities:

"They found that 57% of the deaths were in children under 10 years of age. 22% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog OFF the owner's property. 18% of the deaths involved a restrained dog ON the owner's property, and 59% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog ON the owner's property. The researchers also found that 10% of the dog bite attacks involved sleeping infants."

This means that nearly ALL dog-bite fatalities are the direct result of gross human negligence - unsupervised children, irresponsible owners, or no owner at all. Not to mention, dogs do nothing unprovoked (they are more reasonable creatures than humans in that respect), and that fact is reflected in dog bite law, which usually states something to the effect of, "No animal that, at the time of the acts complained of, was responding to pain or injury, or was protecting itself, its kennel, its offspring, a person, or its owner's or custodian's property, shall be found to be a dangerous or vicious dog." (Virginia Animal Code 3.2-6540 C)


7.) BITES: The major finding of a 2-year study conducted by The Coalition for Living Safely With Dogs and the Colorado Veterinary Medical Association: "all dogs will bite, and that circumstances under which the bite occurred are more pertinent than the breed or type of dog involved."

Most likely breed to bite a Vet or a Groomer: Chihuahua
Most damaging biters: Lhasa Apso

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20090816%2FGJCOMMUNITY_01%2F7081699 74%2F-1%2FFOSLIFESTYLES (broken link)


8.) BITING BREEDS: As reported by 6,000 dog owners, in a survey conducted by the University of Pennsylvania, and published in the journal of Applied Animal Behaviour Science, the dog breeds most likely to bite: Dachshund, Chihuahua, Jack Russell Terrier, Australian Cattle Dog, Cocker Spaniel, Beagle.

Top Biting Dog Breeds (http://ezinearticles.com/?Top-Biting-Dog-Breeds&id=1407118 - broken link)


9.) ACTUAL THREAT: Even using the biased, inaccurate statics, the average number of people killed by a "Pit Bull" each year is 3.

Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect.

A child is more than 800 times more likely to be killed by their caretaker than by a "pit bull".


10.) REHABILITATION: Only ONE of Michael Vick's surviving 50 dogs had to be put down for aggression. SEVEN became therapy dogs.
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Old 08-14-2010, 02:23 AM
 
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Pitbulls were NOT bred to be family pets. It's like the difference between owning a hunting rifle and a rocket launcher. In the hands of an idiot the latter would be very destructive. Same with a pitbull. They are a WORKING dog originally bred for bull baiting, fighting, and WORK. They are absolutely amazing animals. Anyone that knows anything about them knows that. Moron dip**** females and other idiots like Rachel Ray have no business owning one. Just like 99% of people have no business owning a rocket launcher 99% of people have no business owning a pitbull. If you live on a farm out in the country have as many pitbulls as you want, let them work, pull sleds, chase the livestock and protect your property. If you're some cooking show host socialite wanna be condo living urbanite traveling the world and working nonstop...DO NOT OWN A PITBULL! They don't need to put the pitbull down they need to put Rachel Ray down. We need more pitbulls in this world and less idiots like Rachel Ray.
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Old 08-14-2010, 03:27 AM
 
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Rachael Ray fears she may have to put her beloved pit bull to sleep. Isaboo, a frequent guest on Ray's talk show, has been attacking other dogs while on walks and becomes aggressive even on a leash, Radar Online reports.

Rachael Ray May Have to Put Beloved Pit Bull to Sleep
It's purely her fault as she did not raise the dogs right or she got the wrong type of Pit. Some are raise to kill and others are sweet as candy!
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:39 AM
 
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It's purely her fault as she did not raise the dogs right or she got the wrong type of Pit. Some are raise to kill and others are sweet as candy!
AND DUH....how do ya find out which is which....right after they mutilate or kill someone....??????


Pitbull advocates need counseling.....they are sick..my sympathy to them but much more to their maimed and murdered victims...
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Old 08-14-2010, 07:04 AM
 
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The Errors of BREED PROFILING

8.) BITING BREEDS: As reported by 6,000 dog owners, in a survey conducted by the University of Pennsylvania, and published in the journal of Applied Animal Behaviour Science, the dog breeds most likely to bite: Dachshund, Chihuahua, Jack Russell Terrier, Australian Cattle Dog, Cocker Spaniel, Beagle.
How many deaths or maimings do these breeds cause per year compared to Pit Bulls?


breed .....attacks+maiming
Australian cattle dog 1+1
Beagle 2 + 1
Cocker spaniel 1+1
Dauschund 2+ 2
Pit bull terrier 1110 +608
Rottweiler 409+223
Total: 2209+1323

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf (broken link)
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Old 08-14-2010, 07:12 AM
 
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Rachael Ray fears she may have to put her beloved pit bull to sleep. Isaboo, a frequent guest on Ray's talk show, has been attacking other dogs while on walks and becomes aggressive even on a leash, Radar Online reports.

Rachael Ray May Have to Put Beloved Pit Bull to Sleep
Pit Bulls are the devil...
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