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Old 07-10-2010, 12:27 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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...by the way, our planet is past due for an ice age by a few thousand years.
Yep. And speaking of Wisconsin , researchers at the University of Wisconsin have found that human impact of the last 8,000 is forestalling what would be a normally occurring impending ice age.
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We're at a very favorable state right now for increased glaciation," says Kutzbach. "Nature is favoring it at this time in orbital cycles, and if humans weren't in the picture it would probably be happening today."

Using three different climate models and removing the amount of greenhouse gases humans have injected into the atmosphere during the past 5,000 to 8,000 years, Vavrus and Kutzbach observed more permanent snow and ice cover in regions of Canada, Siberia, Greenland and the Rocky Mountains, all known to be seed regions for glaciers from previous ice ages. Vavrus notes: "With every feedback we've included, it seems to support the hypothesis (of a forestalled ice age) even more. We keep getting the same answer.
Study: Did early climate impact divert a new glacial age? (Dec. 16, 2008)
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Old 07-10-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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Yep. And speaking of Wisconsin , researchers at the University of Wisconsin have found that human impact of the last 8,000 is forestalling what would be a normally occurring impending ice age.

Study: Did early climate impact divert a new glacial age? (Dec. 16, 2008)

Inconclusive speculation which defies the fossil record data- the only long term data we have on climate.

Unless one has conclusive evidence of a problem, and the ability to solve the problem, do nothing. Often an ill concieved "treatment" for a non-existent problem will cause greater problems.
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Old 07-10-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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Guys, don't worry, when the weather turns, the fear mongers will come up with another "man made" crisis. In the 70's it was that we were causing the next ice age after a few cold winters, in the 80's and early 90's acid rain and the ozone layer were the big buzz words to gain political power. Global warming took root longer than most of the others, but it seems to be dying a natural death. I have little doubt that something else will be brought up next.
I believe Ocean Acidification will be their next hippy green moment that the libbies will swallow

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Yep. And speaking of Wisconsin , researchers at the University of Wisconsin have found that human impact of the last 8,000 is forestalling what would be a normally occurring impending ice age.

Study: Did early climate impact divert a new glacial age? (Dec. 16, 2008)

Don't know about any of you but I'd rather live in a hot world than an ice age.
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Old 07-10-2010, 06:49 PM
 
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Those liars!

No wonder right wingers enter "misleading" thread titles -- they think it's all right to, since Fox does it.
And no wonder right wingers are so... misled.

Anyway this is already a thread:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...there-has.html
He admitted he was disorganized -- he didnt "make a U-turn" by any means.
According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them’.
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...he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made.
How can any of you say Fox doesnt lie, with headlines like that?
Haha ... you never stop ... you are the energizer bunny spin machine. What's he supposed to say ... what would you expect him to say oops .. you caught me .. OK, I'm a freaking liar, and I'm committing this fraud so that we can tax the little people into oblivion? Jesus.

"Oh, I'm so disorganized ... that's why I confused the climate data from 1992 with 2002 ...I mean ... hey .. they both end in a 2!!! Ooppsie. "

And err .. pay no mind to the hundreds of emails admitting the fraud .... all of those statements were ... err.... TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT !!!
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:08 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Yep. And speaking of Wisconsin , researchers at the University of Wisconsin have found that human impact of the last 8,000 is forestalling what would be a normally occurring impending ice age.

Study: Did early climate impact divert a new glacial age? (Dec. 16, 2008)

more of that research dependent on goverment grants and the like. how about some research that does not get grants from a goverment and some research that is not biased towards global warming.
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