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Old 02-16-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Your concerns are noted. I counter with the idea that we should stand back for a second and see who stands to gain more: Those who are selling warming, or those who are funding research that denies it?
Industries that would supposedly be hurt by this really wouldn't be hurt as much as you think. Profit margins wouldn't change. They would just pass those costs along to the consumer.
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:40 PM
 
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Your concerns are noted. I counter with the idea that we should stand back for a second and see who stands to gain more: Those who are selling warming, or those who are funding research that denies it?

The guy selling the car.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It doesn't exclusively use IPCC data. The author begins the article expressing some skeptacism over the deterministic nature of the IPCC reports. If you get beyond that, there's much more to the article.
The climate hoaxers lie, distort data, destroy data, suppress contrary data, malign those they disagree with and fraudulent data in order to engage in scare tactics.

ClimateGate – Leaked email documents from Britain's East Anglia Climate Research Unit showed systematic suppression of the views of climate skeptics, distroying temperature data, suggesting a bias for making the case for warming. Why supress critics and destroy data if, as global warming defenders contend, the "science is settled?"

FOIGate - The scientists at East Anglia committed a crime by refusing to release global warming documents sought with Freedom of Information Act requests.If their data is so overwhelming, why the all the secrecy?

ChinaGate - Crucial weather monitoring data from 42 weather stattions in china, obtained by American scientists from Chinese collaborators, cannot be verified because documents containing them no longer exist. And what data is available suggests that the findings are fundamentally flawed.

HimalayaGate – The IPCC Asian report intentionally exaggerated when claiming Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035 in order to prod governments into action, it included bugus data from a global warming research organization, who later admitted it was "speculation" lifted from a popular magazine.

AmazonGate – The London Times exposed another hoax; the IPCC claim that global warming will wipe out 40% of the amazon rain forests was fraudulent, yet advanced as "peer-reveiwed" science.

DutchGate – The IPCC report claimed that over half on the Netherlands was below sea level, seems like the UN was ingaging in scare tactics to push their agenda.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Industries that would supposedly be hurt by this really wouldn't be hurt as much as you think. Profit margins wouldn't change. They would just pass those costs along to the consumer.
It will, if for instance, the EPA punishes the industries in the United States with carbon taxes or new CO2 mandates, and industry's competitors do not suffer these mandates, penalties or taxes. If this happens, they will not be able to pass on the costs to the consumers, they will either go out of business or relocate overseas.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:53 PM
 
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I don't see it. First off by the neocons own admission its to complicated to understand so how could it be dismissed this easy? Second how can anyone think that we can pump out and burn fossil fules at a rate never seen and the supply will one never end and two will not have any effect on the enviroment? It is stupid to even try to explain the simplest concepts to a neocon they will come back with some god is in control or other garbage. They are not capable of understanding.
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:03 PM
 
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zingzang wonders if comebackpenny would be so kind as to explain to the class what a "neocon" is? zingzang believes comebackpenny has no idea.
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:10 PM
 
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It is apparent that the GW deniers neither understand the science or the climate.

Considering that the numbers were false in an attempt to push an agenda... it would be junk science.
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I don't see it. First off by the neocons own admission its to complicated to understand so how could it be dismissed this easy? Second how can anyone think that we can pump out and burn fossil fules at a rate never seen and the supply will one never end and two will not have any effect on the enviroment? It is stupid to even try to explain the simplest concepts to a neocon they will come back with some god is in control or other garbage. They are not capable of understanding.
First of all, you are dealing with a theory that man-made CO2 will have any measurable climate forcing effects on our climate.

CO2 is a naturally occurring gas, which plants use to grow, its not as if its a foreign agent introduced into our atmosphere that the planet is not equipped to deal with.

Secondly, scientists have not clearly identified how exactly CO2 and the other greenhouse gases interact with each other and the sun, to retain heat, so there are no climate models that have all the data required to predict how CO2 affects climate. We don't even have the means to measure water vapor, which is the most effective greenhouse gas. CO2's ability to affect warming may so small so as to be minimal at best.
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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A station next to an asphalt parking lot, close to the exhaust of a window air conditioner:

A sensor literally surrounded by heat sources at a fire station:

A station a few feet from a burn barrel:

A roof-mounted sensor next to an air conditioner:

Good stuff.

Odd sites
There are scientists who do not trust the cherry picked temperature data.

World may not be warming, say scientists - Times Online
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:23 AM
 
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I don't see it. First off by the neocons own admission its to complicated to understand so how could it be dismissed this easy? Second how can anyone think that we can pump out and burn fossil fules at a rate never seen and the supply will one never end and two will not have any effect on the enviroment? It is stupid to even try to explain the simplest concepts to a neocon they will come back with some god is in control or other garbage. They are not capable of understanding.
Is it POSSIBLE for you to address ANY of the fraud that the warming community has been found to have passed off as real science. Is it POSSIBLE for you to do ANYTHING but insult posters ?
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