Stimulus is a Big Success and Still Going (solution, politicians, ratings)

[mdvaden]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

That MAY well be. Almost always the party in power loses seats in the mid-term elections. That's just the way it is. Things will improve enough over this year that it's unlikely to change the balance of power though - and by the Presidential elections the economy will be doing quite well. Obama will be EASILY re-elected.

aye, Marmac ?



Ken

With no dramatic change in economy, a health care bill almost rammed down American's throats, and devastating poll results, where do you come up with "easily"?

Same mind-set as Obama stretching less than a million (questionable) upward to "almost" 2 million.

LOL - Whooo HOooooo

Kool - Aid drinkers

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

That's because in the last decade we've not pursued such technology here in the US - while foreign countries have. We are not starting to change that.

Ken

There are TONS of companies in america which has been pursuing green energy for ages, well before Obamas presidency..

[mdvaden]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

If it got the auto industry back on track - which seems to be the case - it was WELL worth the money

And if this is a country of equal rights - etc - why then did not other businesses and people get $24,000?

That's the typical liberal progressive problem. They approve of spending other people's money to get one result. But don't have solutions for the rest.

Also, there is no way to prove it worked anyway.

The dealerships could have stayed in business regardless. The only proof appears to be that $24,000 per clunker was spent.

[Art123]

Originally Posted by mdvaden

There again is the "as many" as 2 million I referred to earlier where he stretched and rounded the numbers upward.

It could just as easily be rounded downward, because there seems to be no solid list that itemizes every one of the jobs.

If you know of a data sheet that lists all those jobs, there are a lot of us who would like to see it.

I see math is not your strong suit. Anything .5 or higher would be rounded up. .4 and lower is rounded down. The original article posted shows the number to be 1.6-1.8 million, with the CBO saying that number is low. Hence the "as many as 2 million." Is this really all you have as an example?

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

TObama will be EASILY re-elected.

There isnt a chance Obama will be re-elected. He beat McCain (ie Bush 3) by only a few percentage points, and that was without people knowing anything about the man. This time he wont be able to hide and use the excuse
"I am not Bush".

The tragedy is, even if his policies are responsible for turning the economy around, (which they arent) it will take too long and Republicans will have taken back over Congress and will receive the credit because of the fact he spread the spending out so long that by time most of its completed, Republicans will hold Congress.

Its simple reality..

[World Citizen]

The dealerships could have stayed in business regardless.

Facts don't seem to matter to them. They hear what they want to hear and they understand only what they've been programmed to hear.

You simply can't reason with a Republican.

WC out

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by marmac

Did Obama ( and LordBalfor ) count all those jobs created in China and Europe in their calculation ?

NO.
Those countries count their own jobs.
That should be obvious.

Ken

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by mdvaden

Exactly. Much now is opinions.

On both sides. Too close to call a "BIG" success for a stimulus package. Much of which was spent on pork.

If I were a patient man, and you were a reasonable one, I would attempt to discuss the merit of the various projects, but I am not patient and you are not reasonable so suffice it to say; when it comes to putting people to work, it doesn't matter whether it is pork, pork rinds, or pork chops since the purpose is provide jobs.

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

If it got the auto industry back on track - which seems to be the case - it was WELL worth the money.

There are so-o-o-o-o many things wrong with that...
Sigh.

Automobiles are going into decline as the century advances. Thanks to the recession and drop in consumption, fuel prices are painfully high, but not at the wallet busting of 2 years ago. But as more and more consumers in China and India come on line, looking back on $4/ gallon gasoline will be a fond memory.

We're importing 70% of our consumption (of roughly 7 billion barrels / year).
At $70 / barrel, that's not only a lot of 7's, but we're exporting at least 343 billion dollar bills - each year.

What SHOULD America be doing? A national initiative to transition to electric traction rail - electrifying mainline track - and rebuilding urban rail lost to the machinations of GM.

OpEdNews - Article: GM Must Remake the Mass Transit System It Murdered

BHO's administration has offered 8 billion as "Seed" money... for High Speed Rail (yawn)... to be completed -perhaps- in 2016, 2020, 2030... or never.

But we all know what government does - waste, inefficiency, and corruption.

Instead of giving tax monies (with long long strings attached), how about just not taking taxes - ever - from any company 100% involved in manufacturing, building, operating or maintaining electric traction rail?

But you won't see a common sense solution ever come from the halls of power.

(Based on the former 40,000 track mile estimate for streetcars, and $20 million / mile for track, America needs to spend 800 billion dollar bills just to restore lost rights of way - THANKS TO GM).

No, "Saving GM" (and Union votes) was the wrong thing to do with taxpayer funds. That was simply BRIBERY... and a misuse of public funds.

But what's a few trillion among friends, eh?
Impossible to pay back - for one thing.
Economic collapse pending is another.
Pain and suffering - YOU BETCHA!
Thank YOU, BHO and the administrations since 1933, who have driven America into decline and destruction.

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by pghquest

There isnt a chance Obama will be re-elected. He beat McCain (ie Bush 3) by only a few percentage points, and that was without people knowing anything about the man. This time he wont be able to hide and use the excuse
"I am not Bush".

The tragedy is, even if his policies are responsible for turning the economy around, (which they arent) it will take too long and Republicans will have taken back over Congress and will receive the credit because of the fact he spread the spending out so long that by time most of its completed, Republicans will hold Congress.

Its simple reality..

WRONG!

His re-election will mimic Reagans. Reagan suffered low approval ratings during the depth of his recession (far lower than Obama's actually) and when things turned around and the economy recovered he enjoyed a renewal of popularity. It'll be the same this time around.

The GOP will gain seats in 2010, but not likely enough to gain control of either the House or the Senate.



Ken