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View Poll Results: Do you favour division of the 4 most populous states in 8 states & the merger of the 8 least pop
YES 2 16.67%
NO 10 83.33%
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-14-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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They're just lines on a map. California has been two states forever. It never should have been one state.
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Hey! I know!

Let's resurrect a silly 8 year old thread from the crypt.

Carry on.

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Old 02-14-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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Why should a 200yr old legal text restrain the will of the people today,in 2010..?
It doesn't, any part of that document can be changed. You only need to get 38 states to agree to those changes.

The reasons for this have already been explained. The founding Fathers were very much aware of the issues about a majority (The British) holding so much power over a minority (Americans). What you consider a flaw is working as intended.
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:02 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I voted yes...

A simple idea,makes sense & corrects that huge antidemocratic gap between states...

No more equalisation between 38 mil Californians & ...700K Wyomingans...

THAT won't happen until we have one man, one vote.
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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THAT won't happen until we have one man, one vote.
If 38 states agree you are in business, there is a loophole here. How a state allocates it's eectoral votes is up to them, If states that have 272 electoral votes total all agree to go by the popular vote then you can get around that. That has potential pitfalls. There is far more Conservative voters sitting home on election day in California and New York than Democrats in Montana and Kansas.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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I would favor California doing the rest of America a favor, and withdrawing from our nation- possibly joining up with Mexico.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Oh,the...people are a...mob..?

These attitudes smell fascism...

I say power to the people,not to...elites...

As for those founding fathers,they expressed their times...Now it is ...2010,not 1776...
I don't think you've quite thought this through to its logical conclusion. If we were a pure democracy, as opposed to a republic, the civil rights advances of the 1950's and 1960's would never have happened. The majority of white people would not have voted for the total elimination of legal segregation nor for the enforcement of equal protections and rights of minorities. If we were a democracy, slavery might not have been eliminated until much later, or women given the right to vote when they did. You seem to think that the great mass of people are socially enlightened and altruistic. They're not.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:32 AM
 
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I think we should make Puerto Rico a state, divide it in half, give one half to China, the other half to Japan and call it even. The national debt would probably be paid in full.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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Northern Californians have been trying to do this for years - State of Jefferson.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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An even better idea would be to disenfranchise eight of the least populous redneck havens and put them in territorial status. Instead of getting four times as much representation in congress, as the productive and progressive blue states, they would get none. Many of them should never have been given statehood in the first place. Environmental disaster areas, like the Dakotas, come first to mind. Financially bankrupt states like Kansas and Oklahoma, would be better off, if the Federal Government ran them. Those in cowboy country, such as Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, would never be missed as states.

Let Alaska secede completely. They'd love that up there. It would take them a long time to completely destroy their environment, even though they would work hard doing it. Make them pay us back all that Seward paid for them to the Russians, adjusted for cost-of-living and 8% compound interest since 1867, on the $7.2 million purchase price then.
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