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Old 05-07-2010, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
While I'm a big fan of public funding of campaigns, I can't help but wonder WHY those big contributors, who have so much to lose by public financing, would be pushing for it.

What's their angle? There must be one.
From the story:
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It would also presumably relieve big donors of a considerable financial burden.
Translation:it increases their profit margins and shifts the burden onto the tax payer,thats how they roll.They also would be able to better steer their bribe money.

 
Old 05-07-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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Careful what you ask for..... Note that "Big Donors" are asking for this so that should send up red flags. This is a double edged sword, the last campaign finance reform package actually squeezed out a lot of the little guys, they piled on so many regulations it became very easy for small political groups and candidates to run afoul of the law that can't hire 6 gazillion attorneys to interpret the law for them. I know locally there is an abundance of successful challenges because the candidate didn't dot all the I's and cross the T's. Politicians with more resources will use the huge amount of regulations to remove the competition.


YouTube - 20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics - Pt. 4 of 6
Check out this video.

Publicly financed campaigns have their success stories as well.
 
Old 05-12-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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At last!!!

This could be it.

Finally public campaign finance reform is closer to becoming a reality than ever before.

Politicians would no longer have to bow to the wishes of those with the deepest pockets in order to win an election.

Finally the non-Fortune 500 constituents have a shot at having fair representation.

Fax, phone and picket your elected officials to push for this reform.

"A group of 27 major donors is vowing to withhold campaign cash from lawmakers who stand in the way of legislation that would allow for public funding of congressional campaigns. Over their careers, the donors have contributed millions to Democratic candidates -- and, on limited occasions, Republicans or independents -- but they say they've had it. And they don't mind if it means a lack of access.

The pair said they were sad to have to take the step. "If, 15 months into the Obama Administration, we were looking at a long list of accomplishments, with a long list of probable victories coming -- as many of us dreamed last November -- then we would not be asking you to take this step. But the picture is not nearly so promising because of the power of private money in the political system. We have all been part of that system. It is time for us to take the lead to change it," they wrote.

Without the strike, the donors are doing little more than furthering a flawed system, said Kirsch. "It's silly, because I'm just helping perpetuate the system. The more money I give, the more I allow them to maintain the status quo. My money's working against me," he said."
 
Old 05-12-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
While I'm a big fan of public funding of campaigns, I can't help but wonder WHY those big contributors, who have so much to lose by public financing, would be pushing for it.

What's their angle? There must be one.
Of course there's an angle. These people don't want all private money out of campaigns--only certain money, specifically money that would go to Republicans and conservatives. Do you honestly think that if we had publicly-funded campaigns at the national level that Soros would park his money on the side lines? Not a chance! He would simply create an unending stream of political action committees, like Moveon.org. and steer his money to them so they could run ads for their favored liberal candidates and causes. This is just an attempt to hamstring the opposition and, in the process, gut the First Amendment.
 
Old 05-12-2010, 02:10 PM
 
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Of course there's an angle. These people don't want all private money out of campaigns--only certain money, specifically money that would go to Republicans and conservatives. Do you honestly think that if we had publicly-funded campaigns at the national level that Soros would park his money on the side lines? Not a chance! He would simply create an unending stream of political action committees, like Moveon.org. and steer his money to them so they could run ads for their favored liberal candidates and causes. This is just an attempt to hamstring the opposition and, in the process, gut the First Amendment.
Ha haaaa!

You guys are so ridiculous, sometimes you've just got to laugh.

So you're telling me you're cool with political leaders putting America up for sale to any and everyone, both foreign and domestic?

Every election breaks the last one's record for the amount of campaign cash raised.

Soon, elections will cost in the billions of dollars, is that what you want, jimmy boy?
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So jimmy, you're cool with the likes of BP calling the shots on Capitol Hill?

"The DISCLOSE Act, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Rep. John Larson's (D-Conn.) legislation to respond to the Court's decision, may put a dome-cap on independent spending, but campaign cash will still gush into candidate's coffers. The oil and gas industry has spent more than $150 million in the past decade on campaign cash to federal officeholders. Disclosure is important but it does not address the root problem.

To truly address the undue influence of special interests in our elections, Congress must pass the Fair Elections Now Act, legislation that would sever the ties between wealthy campaign contributors and Congress. With Fair Elections, candidates for Congress have the option of running a competitive campaign using a blend of limited public funds and a four-to-one match on donations of $100 or less. Fair Elections candidates are accountable solely to their grassroots base--not oil tycoons in Texas or Wall Street executives up north.

For years, BP and its Big Oil allies have used their money and influence to kill or weaken much needed regulations and they might soon get their way with financial reform. It's a perfect example of why we need the Fair Elections Now Act more than ever."
 
Old 05-12-2010, 02:28 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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I like threads like this ,because they prove the true nature of the socialist beast...

Prohibition ,tyranny,dictatorship...

Over
free speech,
over
people's choice,
individuals' choice,
corporate freedom ,
unobstructed access to politics by everyone,from the poorest to the richest,
from 1 individual to Walmart with 2.1 million employees...

Another proof that the " progressives " / socialists are actually social - fascists...
 
Old 05-12-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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It is all a sinister joke anyway. As I always rant. If people want to eliminate the evil corporations, they need to get rid to the Morgan Reserve or everything else is moot. Then they should fight for the elimination of the fictional entity altogether. "Corporations" are not people and should not exist in "law" as an equal to, and in some ways superior to, actual human beings.
 
Old 05-12-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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I like threads like this ,because they prove the true nature of the socialist beast...

Prohibition ,tyranny,dictatorship...

Over
free speech,
over
people's choice,
individuals' choice,
corporate freedom ,
unobstructed access to politics by everyone,from the poorest to the richest,
from 1 individual to Walmart with 2.1 million employees...

Another proof that the " progressives " / socialists are actually social - fascists...
Yet corporate socialism and oligopolies are A-Ok in your book.
 
Old 05-12-2010, 03:30 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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On the contrary,I specifically stated "equal access " for the poorest & the richest...

Money is overestimated in USA politics...
The intelligence of the voters is also underestimated...

Check NYC Mayoral elections...
A billionaire Jew almost lost ( the 1st time) to a popular poor socialist politician...

Even if all "corporate America " supported Dole in 1996,spending billions over billions for him,he would lose to Clinton because Clinton was a superior to Dole politician...

Don't be wrong...

Money doesn't buy
1) love
2) elections...
 
Old 05-12-2010, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Can someone please tell me just why the TAXPAYERS should have to pay for these deadbeats campaigns?
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