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Old 02-18-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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You said they should be forced to prove claims and safety. I simply pointed out pharmaceutical companies do not do that so why should others be forced to?


Look at the law suits against pharmaceutical companies due to lack of long enough studies or clinical trials on particular drugs. They invent illnesses and then invent the drug to match it. They are into marketing and and keeping people ill and not curing. They will throw out red herrings and pinpoint fad supplements that very well might have adverse side affects, but this legislation will be detrimental to the alternative and homeopathic health industry.

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Old 02-18-2010, 02:09 PM
 
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You said they should be forced to prove claims and safety. I simply pointed out pharmaceutical companies do not do that so why should others be forced to?

That is completely false. There are years of clinical trials that happen before a drug reaches the market. If the FDA does not approve it, then it is not sold. Pharma companies jump through hoops to get a drug approved. these supplemental companies do nothing.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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Liberals balking at regulating an industry? Did the world flip upside down and start spinning backwards this morning??
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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That is completely false. There are years of clinical trials that happen before a drug reaches the market. If the FDA does not approve it, then it is not sold. Pharma companies jump through hoops to get a drug approved. these supplemental companies do nothing.


You seem quite misinformed about the situation. Why have so many FDA approved drugs killed so many people? Why does the FDA approve ingridients in our food banned around the world? It's a cycle of keeping people sick and "treating them" The bottom line is cash for all of them.

Ever question why more money is spent on erectile dysfunction and hair loss than anything else by big Pharma???
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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You seem quite misinformed about the situation. Why have so many FDA approved drugs killed so many people? Why does the FDA approve ingridients in our food banned around the world? It's a cycle of keeping people sick and "treating them" The bottom line is cash for all of them.
Ooh, a conspiracy theory!

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Ever question why more money is spent on erectile dysfunction and hair loss than anything else by big Pharma???
Because that's what brings in the big profits.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:47 PM
 
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Liberals balking at regulating an industry? Did the world flip upside down and start spinning backwards this morning??

contrary to popular belief not all liberals support regulation for the sake thereof. This regulation will hurt the real medicine of the world. You know the kind that keeps 80% of the world healthy
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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Ooh, a conspiracy theory!


Because that's what brings in the big profits.


Actually if you had any real knowledge of health you could see that our food system is a major reason for many diseases we have today. Nothing conspiring about it.


As for the profits we agree, which is exactly how they get drugs approved and swept in quickly
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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contrary to popular belief not all liberals support regulation for the sake thereof. This regulation will hurt the real medicine of the world. You know the kind that keeps 80% of the world healthy
I suppose you and will need a headache remedy (homeopathic, of course)after banging our heads against the wall in a futile attempt to explain any of this to the usual suspects. They are bashing an industry that has many more benefits than not and defending an industry that has over and over agian proven itself to be insidious on many levels. Are they ever on the moral high ground of any issue??? Wonder how they feel about medical marijuana. What do you say we allow them to swallow all of the propaganda spewed out by Big Pharama along with all of the presciption drugs that they can get their hands on?
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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You seem quite misinformed about the situation. Why have so many FDA approved drugs killed so many people? Why does the FDA approve ingridients in our food banned around the world? It's a cycle of keeping people sick and "treating them" The bottom line is cash for all of them.

Ever question why more money is spent on erectile dysfunction and hair loss than anything else by big Pharma???

Oh no I am not the misinformed one. If what you say is true then that is all of the Federal Government NOT big pharma. Go complain to Obama to correct the problem. The fact remains that any drug MUST go though years of clinical trials before it is allowed to be sold.

You clearly have no idea on how the stages of drug development work. Everyday millions are spent just in an attempt to develop a compound never mind to have it actually get to clinical trials. So while a company spends millions trying to find a cure for say cancer they need to make money. If you think for one second any pharma company would turn their backs on trying to find a cure for say cancer you are nuts. If they do it is a HUGE payday. They of course focus on all types of issues and the two you mentioned are very big issues for some.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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Actually if you had any real knowledge of health you could see that our food system is a major reason for many diseases we have today. Nothing conspiring about it.
So who exactly are you blaming for our poor food system? Big Pharma or the government? Is Big Pharma paying for ads to get people to eat more Twix bars and Doritos? Or is the government? Or is it lack of regulation or over-regulation? I really have no clue where you're going with this...
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