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Old 02-19-2010, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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A lot can be directly measured - like the number of teachers, police, etc. that were directly paid by stimulus money.

A lot can be estimated with a good degree of certainty.

To say "no one knows" is not being accurate. Yes, the estimates aren't completely accurate, either, but when GOPer's say "no jobs" were saved or created, that's a lie. And when they tout the money in their own district as "creating jobs," they are not only lying, but being hypocrites at the same time.
The lies are coming from the Democrats, not the Republicans. For example:None of the congressional districts mentioned in the states above exist. Apparently Democrats are not content at fudging the numbers of election results, they also feel compelled to lie about employment numbers as well. So far more than 94,000 jobs that Obama claims to have been "saved or created" by the stimulus have been proven to be a deliberate lie. The bottom line is that the only thing the Stimilus grew was more government. There are fewer private sector jobs and less people employed by the private sector now than before the Stimilus was enacted into law.

The American people know who the true liars are, as you will see this coming November, and it is not the Republicans.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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this is how they count 'saved' jobs:

In June, the federal government spent $1,047 in stimulus money to buy a rider mower from the Toro Company to cut the grass at the Fayetteville National Cemetery in Arkansas. Now, a report on the government’s stimulus Web site improbably claims that that single lawn mower sale helped save or create 50 jobs.


hmmm a 1000 dollar lawn mower is 50 saved jobs
That's pretty funny. I'm guessing they counted everyone that had something to do with that lawnmower. From the guy at the rubber factory that made the wheels to the truck driver that moved the parts to the guy that cut the grass.

One way to inflate numbers.

I think it is safe to assume that all 50 of those jobs would been there had those people not had the opportunity to make that particular lawn mower.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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A lot can be directly measured - like the number of teachers, police, etc. that were directly paid by stimulus money.

A lot can be estimated with a good degree of certainty.

To say "no one knows" is not being accurate. Yes, the estimates aren't completely accurate, either, but when GOPer's say "no jobs" were saved or created, that's a lie. And when they tout the money in their own district as "creating jobs," they are not only lying, but being hypocrites at the same time.
Anyone that says stimulus money creates jobs is lying. Money doesn't create jobs. It never has and never will.

The private sector's unwillingness to hire is not the result of a lack of money.

It's government intervention in their business that keeps them from hiring. And the threat of even more intervention everytime someone in DC opens their mouths.

Anyone that says different is either economicslly naive or is lying.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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Remember, how people were complaining that jobs from the stimulus were being funneled overseas.

Well look who opposed strong Buy America provisions.

"For example, their ‘Buy America’ provision: that’s protectionism, and that did not work in any time in our history."

Apparently the GOP prefers giving business to foreigners over American citizens.

They seem to have forgotten that the stimulus is supposed to stimulate the American economy.

If instead of tax cuts for businesses that don't want to invest domestically in order to appease Repubs who were never going to vote yay anyway, we could have put that money into our much deserving manufacturing sector (http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/newscenter/pressreleases/2009/01/16/strong-domestic-sourcing-requirements-create-33-more-manufacturing-jobs/ - broken link).

The Party Of No is no friend to American labor.
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Remember, how people were complaining that jobs from the stimulus were being funneled overseas.

Well look who opposed strong Buy America provisions.

"For example, their ‘Buy America’ provision: that’s protectionism, and that did not work in any time in our history."

Apparently the GOP prefers giving business to foreigners over American citizens.

They seem to have forgotten that the stimulus is supposed to stimulate the American economy.

If instead of tax cuts for businesses that don't want to invest domestically in order to appease Repubs who were never going to vote yay anyway, we could have put that money into our much deserving manufacturing sector (http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/newscenter/pressreleases/2009/01/16/strong-domestic-sourcing-requirements-create-33-more-manufacturing-jobs/ - broken link).

The Party Of No is no friend to American labor.
That e-verify got removed from the stimulus. Why did the Dems approve of that ? Why did Obama sign that ?
Are the Dems also the party of NO to American workers ?
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:19 PM
 
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That e-verify got removed from the stimulus. Why did the Dems approve of that ? Why did Obama sign that ?
Are the Dems also the party of NO to American workers ?

Glad you bring up e-verify. Considering the GOP had the Presidency AND the Congress for 6 years (the Congress even longer during Clinton's term) why wasn't e-verify made an official and enforceable employment law of the land?

And if you read the articles, the GOP did not want Buy America provisions at all.

And with the tax cuts and scaled back Buy American provisions they STILL did not vote for it.

But you are correct, there should be both strong Buy American AND Hire American provisions in any jobs or stimulus bill.
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Are GOPers Deliberately Lying About the Stimulus?

Yes, of course they are. The sad thing about it is, they are so obvious in their lies. The whole attitude is, people are just too darn stupid to realize that we're lying to them.

Actually, that's not the sad thing. The sad thing is that increasingly they are right - more and more people really are too stupid to realize they're being lied to.

I had thought that with more and more people having access to the Internet, and therefore more able to seek out independent, authoritative sources of information, that it would be much easier to catch the lies. But that hasn't happened, and I don't know why. It's as if people embrace their stupidity.
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:28 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Scott Brown recently said that the stimulus has not created a single job.
And Dem Senator Evan Bayh says...


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Old 02-19-2010, 02:33 PM
 
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Are GOPers Deliberately Lying About the Stimulus?

No, they are responding to the same numbers the Obamaites are touting. The ones that indicate the Stimulus is one of the biggests busts ever.

Most Independants and an increasing amount of Democrats think it a bust as well. Are they lying?
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