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Old 02-21-2010, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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What's interesting is the same people raising hell about this are the same people opposed to social medicine
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:15 PM
 
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Smokers should be charged TRIPLE for calling. They caused their own heart attack.
Are you perfect? Exercise? Eat perfectly? Have checkups all the time? Don't drink? Etc. Of course you aren't. Until they make cigarettes illegal, your proposal is just selfish.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:12 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I honestly do not know how I feel about this.

Positives are that it can add to the states budget and that it will prevent people calling 911 because a worker at McDonalds didnt put juice in the bag.

Negatives-if someone needs help and makes min. wage....it can be bad.
$300 is a LOT of money for someone to have to pay especially if they require an expensive ER visit and ambulance.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:15 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I agree I am really torn here. I tend to lean toward charging those that turn out to be a non-emergency. Sorta like when you go to the ER, if it is not a true medical emergency your insurance may not pay.
Um ... What if the symptoms are serious but you are given a clean bill of health from the ER? That happened to me TWICE and the symptom was urgent enough to place me ahead of the ER queue both times.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:18 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I cannot see how they will enforce this. Suppose that a car hits a kid and you call 911 for the paramedics. Do they charge you even if it is not your kid? What about cellphone calls?
Good point KevK. If this is actually implemented, there would be an increase in the number of bystanders who will not get involved. Thinking about that poor teenager who was gang-raped in Richmond, CA a while back, she got help because a bystander called 911. Should that bystander have been charged $300 for the call?
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:20 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Smokers should be charged TRIPLE for calling. They caused their own heart attack.
I'm as anti-smoker as they come but even I know that not all conditions are caused by smoking (accidents, etc.).
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:51 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I pay a yearly fee of $48 for ambulance service, if and when needed. If you don't have the "ambulance insurance" your cost if $300 minimum per ride to the hospital in an ambulance. What's the big deal? No one wants to pay more in property taxes---they keep getting voted down---so something has to give to keep community services flowing.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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I pay a yearly fee of $48 for ambulance service, if and when needed. If you don't have the "ambulance insurance" your cost if $300 minimum per ride to the hospital in an ambulance. What's the big deal? No one wants to pay more in property taxes---they keep getting voted down---so something has to give to keep community services flowing.
$300 minimum per ambulence ride? In Springfield, Oregon a ride in one of those pretty little glorified mini-vans runs $1700. And that's if you are local to the hospital. Outside of 10 miles is like $200 more per mile.

Our yearly fee for ambulance coverage for the family is $50. Smart people pay the yearly fee. I don't care how healthy they are. Everybody can have an accident.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Are you perfect? Exercise? Eat perfectly? Have checkups all the time? Don't drink? Etc. Of course you aren't. Until they make cigarettes illegal, your proposal is just selfish.
I am far from perfect but I know better than to suck cigarettes, skate board off walls with no helmet or weigh 300 lbs. People who do not should pay far more.
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Old 02-22-2010, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Over There
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Um ... What if the symptoms are serious but you are given a clean bill of health from the ER? That happened to me TWICE and the symptom was urgent enough to place me ahead of the ER queue both times.

I honestly don't know. I guess they could have the ER determine. Personally I don't see how they could ever enforce this. I think it is a dumb thing to even attempt to do I was just playing devils advocate.
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