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Old 02-22-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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The Obama administration will seek sweeping reforms to George W. Bush's "No Child Left Behind" Act, abandoning some metrics that teachers unions, principals and other officials have complained about since the law went into effect, the New York Times reports. Obama will seek broad changes in the ways schools are judged to be succeeding, and will eliminate the law's 2014 deadline for bringing every American student to academic proficiency.

Obama Proposes Sweeping Overhaul of 'No Child Left Behind' -- Politics Daily
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That law has damaged education in this country and should be completely repealed.
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Agreed!

WASHINGTON - January 08, 2009 - For seven years, educators have been living and working with the unintended and harmful consequences of No Child Left Behind, which judges schools and children based solely on standardized test scores at the expense of preparing them with 21st century skills. President-elect Obama is calling to fully fund the law and move away from the test, label and punish regime of the last seven years.
NEA - No Child Left Behind cemented as failed education legacy of President Bush
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I so agree with this.
NCLB has been a failure. Just Remember we have to thank Ted for it too. RIP

No Child Left Behind - Kennedy's Top 10 Legislative Battles - TIME
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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More payback to the ruinous unions at the expense of the nation's children.

Incompetent teachers should be fired, those that can't/don't/won't teach the children should be fired.

Amazing you could even find something partisan in this. As a parent who's child went through the public school system in NJ the "no child left behind" act was THE worst thing that Bush could have Ever signed into law. Every politician that was a party to this bill should have their finger nails pulled off.

Your partially right, it just gave an excuse to those lazy teachers to stay in the class rooms. With the overhaule hopefully the bad apples will be weeded out.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:31 PM
 
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Education Reform as if that was what was wanted.

1. All public funding for education is ended.
2. All taxation of education is ended.
3. Parents / guardians pay for whatever schooling they wish.

If parents want their child to attend a school where the emphasis is on "sports entertainment" and not on the quality of the library or instruction, so be it.

If parents want a babysitting service that does not produce results, so be it.

But make the parents directly pay for it. Let the market decide.
If I were you I'd hope that never actually happened.

These are the kids that will be keeping your 401K going, not to mention providing your nursing home care, when you get old.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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More payback to the ruinous unions at the expense of the nation's children.

Incompetent teachers should be fired, those that can't/don't/won't teach the children should be fired.
Agreed that incompetent teachers should be fired. To say thats the only problem shows a lack of understanding of the complexity of 30 kids to 1 teacher.

Videotape classrooms. Good teachers should have nothing to fear. If 1 kid continues to waste classroom time, the parents pay more money.

If parents can't be home because they have to work all the time, then the issue becomes more complex.

I know from experience that unmotivated latchkey kids, drag classrooms down and waste teacher time and slow down the classroom learning. Teachers need to be doing their job, but so do the parents.

You can have the best teacher in the world, but give them 5 kids in their class that don't do any homework and can't pay attention and need a 1 on 1 babysitter, and you've just slowed down the whole class, a lot.

Think about the whole problem instead of using it for your partisan platform. Again I agree that incompetent teachers need to be fired, but thats not the whole problem.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Obama administration will seek sweeping reforms to George W. Bush's "No Child Left Behind" Act, abandoning some metrics that teachers unions, principals and other officials have complained about since the law went into effect, the New York Times reports. Obama will seek broad changes in the ways schools are judged to be succeeding, and will eliminate the law's 2014 deadline for bringing every American student to academic proficiency.

Obama Proposes Sweeping Overhaul of 'No Child Left Behind' -- Politics Daily
it was ted kennedy's no child left behind bill

and should we go back to the old ways were education (especially in the south) meant nothing???

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That law has damaged education in this country and should be completely repealed.
the only thing wrong was the way it set the stanards, it asked too much, too soon....it needed baby steps

teachers are complaining because they actually have to work and make sure a kid can pass a test



NCLB came about because kids were graduating high school and they could not read.....you want to go back to that......where are you from Mississippi(the worst education in the country)????
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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The only real and needed reform of education is to disband teachers' unions. They are doing to education what the UAW did to Detroit.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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So, what you're saying is now they'll be dumb. We just won't know how dumb so the teachers can't be blamed.
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Old 02-22-2010, 01:03 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As a parent who's child went through the public school system in NJ the "no child left behind" act was THE worst thing that Bush could have Ever signed into law. . .
As a parent whose child went through the NJ school system I think it was an excellent law. Knew it from day one when teacher's groaned about being measured, and teaching, to actual results.

This is a payback to teacher unions and a step backward in children's education. Also NCLB was a bipartisan improvement to education (a Bush/Kennedy bill.) Obama's move is yet more evidence that he is not interested in bipartisanship but now rescinding past legislation and move the agenda fully to the left.
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Old 02-22-2010, 01:06 PM
 
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More payback to the ruinous unions at the expense of the nation's children.

Incompetent teachers should be fired, those that can't/don't/won't teach the children should be fired.
So, what do we do with children who can't or won't learn? Or with parents who can't or won't parent?
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Old 02-22-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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As a parent whose child went through the NJ school system I think it was an excellent law. Knew it from day one when teacher's groaned about being measured, and teaching, to actual results.

This is a payback to teacher unions and a step backward in children's education. Also NCLB was a bipartisan improvement to education (a Bush/Kennedy bill.) Obama's move is yet more evidence that he is not interested in bipartisanship but now rescinding past legislation and move the agenda fully to the left.

Thats just it, some used that law as an excuse for when they were measured. "can't take the time to stop and teach" "have to get through the curiculum". There's good and bad in the law, but more bad than good.
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