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What coverage do you have? We paid $125/mo for our 20-something daughters after they got kicked off our insurance and before they got their own. They didn't have much coverage at that rate. I can't imagine what you're getting for $60.
That is part of the problem. There are a lot of people who have "Insurance" coverage at really low rates. This is fine, until they have a significant injury or disease, then the rest of us have to pay for the their care. Insurance Companies are very happy to sell such policies. No risk of any significant claims, hence a lot of profit.
The Only way a UHC can succeed is if it covers 100% of the population and is has 100% commitment. The current medicare and other health systems in the USA are half baked and doomed to failure. In ALL other Nations who have UHC where there is total commitment to it...the system has succeeded and works well. If the Govt created a UHC in the USA it would have no reason to fail. Drugs could be bought far cheaper than now. The amount of Employment created by a UHC would be phenomenal. The health of the Nation would improve. Private health Insurance premiums would drop significantly and NO MORE bankruptcy or finacial hardship because of medical bills. UHC has been succesful in many many other Countries with similart population etc as the USA so are you saying the USA is NOT as competant as Australia etc.?
Let's look at this one bit at a time. For now, I'd like to focus on this statement;
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The amount of Employment created by a UHC would be phenomenal.
A few things come to mind. First, tell us what phenomenal employment would be created. It sounds like you are talking about a phenomenal amount of administrative personell to oversee the massive amounts of beaucratic paperwork that will be created. So, where does the money to pay for this phenomenal employment come from? I'm guessing that it will come from increases in premiums for those who actually have to pay premiums. Do you have some other ideas on that?
Let's look at this one bit at a time. For now, I'd like to focus on this statement;
A few things come to mind. First, tell us what phenomenal employment would be created. It sounds like you are talking about a phenomenal amount of administrative personell to oversee the massive amounts of beaucratic paperwork that will be created. So, where does the money to pay for this phenomenal employment come from? I'm guessing that it will come from increases in premiums for those who actually have to pay premiums. Do you have some other ideas on that?
I don't think we'd need any more adminstrative people than the insurance companies have now, maybe less if admin were unified somehow.
There may be an increase in the need for doctors and nurses, if everyone has coverage.
Let's look at this one bit at a time. For now, I'd like to focus on this statement;
A few things come to mind. First, tell us what phenomenal employment would be created. It sounds like you are talking about a phenomenal amount of administrative personell to oversee the massive amounts of beaucratic paperwork that will be created. So, where does the money to pay for this phenomenal employment come from? I'm guessing that it will come from increases in premiums for those who actually have to pay premiums. Do you have some other ideas on that?
What are you talking about? You obviously have no idea of how a UHC works.
Admin staff are a small percentage of employees under a UHC..... There are...
Medical staff.... Doctors, Nurses, Technicians, Lab staff, physios,Paramedics Pharmacists, etc.
Cleaning staff, porters, Electricians, cooks, Engineers, Builders, decorators, etc etc.
Industry would get a boost from a UHC. Everything from Linen to Medical machines, beds, tv's would be bought in huge amounts giving a welcome injection of money into flagging American industries.
There are NO premiums in a UHC. It is a small tax that covers all outgoings. The Hospitals can lease out time on their medical equipment to private insurance companies... that will bring in revenue. Drugs will be much cheaper as it will be bought in bulk and the Govt would have great bargaining power.
In the UK the tax for the UHC is small and no one has a problem with it, in fact if you ask most UK residents how much tax they pay for the UHC thery have no idea as it is a small sum and does not affect them. The tax also pays for many many other things such as the Old age Pension, Unemployment benefit, sickness benefit, Housing benefit, Building new Hospitals and many many many other associated welfare benefits.
I have put websites on here on a few occasions with the figures of how much is paid in tax ...here is a link again to the UK tax system National Insurance : Directgov - Money, tax and benefits
What are you talking about? You obviously have no idea of how a UHC works.
Admin staff are a small percentage of employees under a UHC..... There are...
Medical staff.... Doctors, Nurses, Technicians, Lab staff, physios,Paramedics Pharmacists, etc.
Cleaning staff, porters, Electricians, cooks, Engineers, Builders, decorators, etc etc.
Industry would get a boost from a UHC. Everything from Linen to Medical machines, beds, tv's would be bought in huge amounts giving a welcome injection of money into flagging American industries.
There are NO premiums in a UHC. It is a small tax that covers all outgoings. The Hospitals can lease out time on their medical equipment to private insurance companies... that will bring in revenue. Drugs will be much cheaper as it will be bought in bulk and the Govt would have great bargaining power.
In the UK the tax for the UHC is small and no one has a problem with it, in fact if you ask most UK residents how much tax they pay for the UHC thery have no idea as it is a small sum and does not affect them. The tax also pays for many many other things such as the Old age Pension, Unemployment benefit, sickness benefit, Housing benefit, Building new Hospitals and many many many other associated welfare benefits.
I have put websites on here on a few occasions with the figures of how much is paid in tax ...here is a link again to the UK tax system National Insurance : Directgov - Money, tax and benefits
So you think that there will be PHENOMENAL hiring of all these people? Why? Do we have a gigantic shortage of health care professionals now? Does a change in the insurance company paying for our health care somehow necessitate the building of new facilites? And if so, what happens to all the existing ones?
And then, you say, in the same paragraph, that there are no premiums, but there is a tax. This is like the misdirection of a half decent illusionist. Stop following the moving hand with the colorful scarf, and watch as he palms the gold coin. The TAX IS the Premium. You talk about "THE TAX" that pays for all these wonderful benefits, but you seem to have no inkling or concern about who pays that tax, but surely you have to recognize that someone does. Nothing is free. And pointing out that everyone pays it but no one recognizes it for what it is, is NOT a good thing. It's further proof that, if they are sneaky and devious enough, an unchecked government can and will take more from us than we notice. More reason to put a stop to such things, if you ask me.
I see a lot of input here from fellow Europeans and a lot from Americans too. Unfortunately, we will never agree. The American mindset and ways of doing things are very different to the mindsets of many European countries, where healthcare is considered a right and where socialist policies are not frowned upon as evil. I'd say that one simple way of breaking it down is:
Americans fear their government more than they fear corporations
Europeans fear corporations more than they fear their governments (hence the fact that they take to the streets and protest more readily).
One will never really agree with the other and in many cases, there isn't always a right or a wrong or a good guy and a bad guy.
However, I'm with the "healthcare should be a right" brigade. Like it or lump it
So you think that there will be PHENOMENAL hiring of all these people? Why? Do we have a gigantic shortage of health care professionals now? Does a change in the insurance company paying for our health care somehow necessitate the building of new facilites? And if so, what happens to all the existing ones?
And then, you say, in the same paragraph, that there are no premiums, but there is a tax. This is like the misdirection of a half decent illusionist. Stop following the moving hand with the colorful scarf, and watch as he palms the gold coin. The TAX IS the Premium. You talk about "THE TAX" that pays for all these wonderful benefits, but you seem to have no inkling or concern about who pays that tax, but surely you have to recognize that someone does. Nothing is free. And pointing out that everyone pays it but no one recognizes it for what it is, is NOT a good thing. It's further proof that, if they are sneaky and devious enough, an unchecked government can and will take more from us than we notice. More reason to put a stop to such things, if you ask me.
There is a major nursing shortage at the moment. In fairness, I don't think a UHC will solve that problem.
What are you talking about? You obviously have no idea of how a UHC works.
Admin staff are a small percentage of employees under a UHC..... There are...
Medical staff.... Doctors, Nurses, Technicians, Lab staff, physios,Paramedics Pharmacists, etc.
Cleaning staff, porters, Electricians, cooks, Engineers, Builders, decorators, etc etc.
Industry would get a boost from a UHC. Everything from Linen to Medical machines, beds, tv's would be bought in huge amounts giving a welcome injection of money into flagging American industries.
There are NO premiums in a UHC. It is a small tax that covers all outgoings. The Hospitals can lease out time on their medical equipment to private insurance companies... that will bring in revenue. Drugs will be much cheaper as it will be bought in bulk and the Govt would have great bargaining power.
In the UK the tax for the UHC is small and no one has a problem with it, in fact if you ask most UK residents how much tax they pay for the UHC thery have no idea as it is a small sum and does not affect them. The tax also pays for many many other things such as the Old age Pension, Unemployment benefit, sickness benefit, Housing benefit, Building new Hospitals and many many many other associated welfare benefits.
I have put websites on here on a few occasions with the figures of how much is paid in tax ...here is a link again to the UK tax system National Insurance : Directgov - Money, tax and benefits
more than 50% of your beloved nhs are administrators. and drugs are cheap because they're bought in bulk. tell that to this tiny group of people (20000) who slipped through that net
Perhaps the Dems have concluded that their best interest is to try to provide a Health Care reform package that more closely resembles what a majority of Americans want. The Reconciliation Bill, now includes a Public Option in the Exchange.
What on earth makes you feel only liberal goofballs suffer under our current "very large quasi monopolized healthcare delivery system" that allows collution and price fixing? That it allows it to jump from state to state that places the least amount of moral regulation on them? A powerful nation that allows large industry to place American families in absolute real life threatening situations by denying treatment and coverage in order to maximize profit? Having a two tier system that protects one group (Group Coverage) over another group (Independant Coverage). A system where insurance companies have had their way with Americans by forcing undesirables onto the public domains such as Medicare, Medicaid, American Indian Care, the VA in order to maximize profit. Now more and more of the middle class is getting the big squeeze. Republican response? Create a new high risk pool for these Americans so the insurance industry can maximize profits. Do I need to mention Tort reform? Who profits the most? What would the republican party argue? "Insurance companies would profit the most" but the trickle down effect will soon follow to its policy holders. Well, don't hold your breath.
Make no mistake this is all very real. It happens to American communist, socialist, liberal goofballs, independents and conservatives.
Well you did a fine job at going right past my point of....Liberals putting upthere tax refunds or shutting up!....I have a even better idea....Get rid of all the illegals (save billions if not tens billions each yr) and tell people who are on welfare to pay a few dollors..just a few..(I think they can afford it) a month towards there H.C.(now thats funny...)
Problem 1/2 solved just by implementing those 2 things!
Like I said..put up or shut up!
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