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Old 08-27-2007, 02:50 AM
 
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How's this for a strict gun law:

Everyone is required to own at least one gun.

Might make criminal types think twice.
Lots of people own a gun. Criminals sneak in and steal their guns. Why? Because they don't put their guns in places where they can't be stolen!! Check out the Florida stolen gun stats!
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am not in favor of government regulation of gun possesion or ownership. Regulation will only lead to defenseless people and eventuall tyranny.

I do belive in gun control. This, to me, is defined as - the judgment to select a ligitimate target and the skill to hit it with the first shot.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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One gun law I would like to see:

If you own the gun and it is stolen, you are responsible for what happens with it.

The main reason why I support this is because many gun owners don't take gun ownership responsiblity. If you own a gun, you need to be responsible for it.
Does that mean that you also want it so if your car is stolen, you are responsible for what happens with it?

It's not a bad thought, it would deter people from leaving guns laying within easy access, but now it's getting into 3rd generation crime. If a gun store is broke into, the owner could be held responsible for several robberies, murders and what not from gang members?

The laws ensure that you reasonably try to store firearms so that they can't be stolen.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I do not believe the former owner of a firearm is in any way resopnsible for how the firearm is used. That is the sole responsibility of the user. The person pulling the trigger is solely responsible for what ever the bullet does.

Gun ownership is not the problem. Gun theft is not the problem.

/shouting on/

CRIMINAL USE OF FIREARMS IS THE PROBLEM.

/shouting off/

It is that simple.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:25 AM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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[quote=Machine;812414]I'm just wodering. Do you think it will reduce violence? Will it make us safer?
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Maybe the criminals will follow the laws..........and if you believe that, well you know the rest.............
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:47 AM
 
Location: California
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I do not believe the former owner of a firearm is in any way resopnsible for how the firearm is used. That is the sole responsibility of the user. The person pulling the trigger is solely responsible for what ever the bullet does.

Gun ownership is not the problem. Gun theft is not the problem.

/shouting on/

CRIMINAL USE OF FIREARMS IS THE PROBLEM.

/shouting off/

It is that simple.
And the criminal is going to get the gun no matter what laws are passed, if you really want to cut crime then make the punishment fit the crime.
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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If I lived in Texas, I'd definitely want to be armed, since the state's murder rate is above the national average. I wouldn't be able to feel any measure of safety otherwise.
Huh?

I've lived in Texas for 17 years without owning a gun. I've never felt the need to have a gun. Most of the people I know here don't have guns. I don't know anyone who has been murdered here.

If you're a typical American then you're probably killing yourself with your diet, lack of exercise, driving habits and occasional reckless behavior in risky situations. Murder is extremely over-rated as a cause of death. It's high within certain subcultures, but it doesn't affect the average citizen except on very rare occasions. Look up the stats on how many people are killed by car accidents, falls, heart disease, colon and breast cancer, lung cancer --- compared all that to murder, and you'll see that your need to feel safe by owning a gun is a strange fantasy born of the imaginations of people who don't understand statistics and probability. Being shot is sensational, so you pay attention to it. But you'll probably die of heart disease or cancer. A gun won't help you in that case.
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Huh?

I've lived in Texas for 17 years without owning a gun. I've never felt the need to have a gun. Most of the people I know here don't have guns. I don't know anyone who has been murdered here.

If you're a typical American then you're probably killing yourself with your diet, lack of exercise, driving habits and occasional reckless behavior in risky situations. Murder is extremely over-rated as a cause of death. It's high within certain subcultures, but it doesn't affect the average citizen except on very rare occasions. Look up the stats on how many people are killed by car accidents, falls, heart disease, colon and breast cancer, lung cancer --- compared all that to murder, and you'll see that your need to feel safe by owning a gun is a strange fantasy born of the imaginations of people who don't understand statistics and probability. Being shot is sensational, so you pay attention to it. But you'll probably die of heart disease or cancer. A gun won't help you in that case.
All true. You can also show the statistics showing that the chances of you or a member of your family getting accidently shot or committing suicide with the gun you purchase for protection are higher than the chances of actually using that gun against a criminal.

I am resigned to the fact everybody today can buy a gun like buying a hamburger. It is irritating when you get the posts though that the Columbine killers, etc. would have carried out their carnage anyway using some other method. Bows and arrows perhaps?

I understand the rationale that underground hoods with connections can get guns no matter what, but I have a harder time buying the idea that deranged high school or college kids would be able to pull it off, without law enforcement finding out at some point.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:09 PM
 
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One gun law I would like to see:

If you own the gun and it is stolen, you are responsible for what happens with it.

The main reason why I support this is because many gun owners don't take gun ownership responsiblity. If you own a gun, you need to be responsible for it.

UB50. U B wrong. I trust you were being facetious in typing that.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:59 PM
 
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OK, let me get this right? If I own a gun and some scumbag breaks into my locked house , and steals my gun, and kills somebody with it, I'm responsible? Give me a break.
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