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The fact that REPUBLICANS have collosal flaws doesn't reflect one bit on President Obama's brilliance. Some say he's too reasonable. I say that Republicans are wholly unreasonable. He attempted to "reach across the table" as he promised, but I'm sure even he has to admit that trying to make progress with Republican input is as useless as a blind man turning around to look.
President Obama doing an excellent job, now realizing that to get things done, he must go around clueless Republicans. After all, 8 horrific years of Bush taught us that Republicans are no longer qualified to be a major political party or to be taken seriously.
Mmm, not really.
"When President Obama was inaugurated, Democrats enjoyed a seven-point advantage on the Generic Ballot. The two parties were very close on the Generic Ballot throughout the spring of 2009, but Republicans pulled ahead for good in late June."
"The new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 44% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 36% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent. Voter support for GOP congressional candidates held steady from last week, while support for Democrats is up a point."
I'll probably disagree, but as a sincere request, why not bother explaining or defending yourself? What is up with people who come on here to just spew one-liners and then skate away? Why bother making the post?
The Republicans, perhaps by sheer coincidence, are on the side of the voters who oppose Obamacare in all its permutations. That Democrats are attempting to force what they want and what serves their interests and their supporters interests on the American public, reveals how tone deaf they are. The current plans to pass the legislation through reconciliation further illustrates the indifference they have for the people they represent.
The Republicans, perhaps by sheer coincidence, are on the side of the voters who oppose Obamacare in all its permutations.
Except, they don't. The data is clear: The opposite is true.
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That Democrats are attempting to force what they want and what serves their interests and their supporters interests on the American public, reveals how tone deaf they are. The current plans to pass the legislation through reconciliation further illustrates the indifference they have for the people they represent.
Well that's nice, but you made it all up (literally). An overwhelming majority support the public option in some facet.
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Can't believe I had to explain that.
No no no, you don't get to be condescending here. What you just said is 100 percent, no nuance, decidedly and demonstrably false. You literally just said nothing, because what you know is nothing. Which is why you insist on one-liner cliche's, then get angry when asked to actually make a concrete point.
You should post less on forums like this, and take the time to educate yourself. It is more difficult and a bit dry in the short-term, but more rewarding in the long-term, I promise you.
My beef with Obama is he feels obligated like he has to get an opinion from the right. Bipartisanship is a good thing, but these morons don't want to help you or the country. They'll never soften up to him.
I agree. He could include everything Republicans want in the health care bill, and they'd still vote against it. Their primary goal is to see him fail. Nothing else matters. I was all for bipartisanship a year ago, but at this point, forget it.
"When President Obama was inaugurated, Democrats enjoyed a seven-point advantage on the Generic Ballot. The two parties were very close on the Generic Ballot throughout the spring of 2009, but Republicans pulled ahead for good in late June."
"The new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 44% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 36% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent. Voter support for GOP congressional candidates held steady from last week, while support for Democrats is up a point."
Mmm, a national telephone survey is supposed to force us all to forget the detrimental effect that 8 years of Bush and Republicans have had on this country?
What's even more astonishing are the imbeciles who think that President Obama is going to erase 8 years of Bush crap in a year, and that his not doing so is a clear indication that he's a failure. I say these people didn't want him to succeed in the first place and if they voted for him, they really weren't true supporters.
President Obama given the worst mess in history and he's working through it and Conservative obstructionist tactics as well. Clueless Republicans continue to flail away hoping people forget the Bush years. Pathetic.
President Obama doing an exceptional job...and don't you forget it.
If by reasonable you mean directly and willfully opposed to the expressed desire of the voters, then yes, I agree. He is far too reasonable.
Would that be the people who voted him into office in large measure due to his stand on certain issues, especially health care reform?
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The Republicans, perhaps by sheer coincidence, are on the side of the voters who oppose Obamacare in all its permutations.
And if people are asked in just those words - whether they favor "Obamacare" or not - yes, they don't like it. But then, when asked about specific parts of health care reform (no denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions, no canceling of health insurance policies just because people actually use their health insurance, etc.), well, then most people agree that those reforms are good things.
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I agree. He could include everything Republicans want in the health care bill, and they'd still vote against it. Their primary goal is to see him fail. Nothing else matters. I was all for bipartisanship a year ago, but at this point, forget it.
I agree. He could include everything Republicans want in the health care bill, and they'd still vote against it. Their primary goal is to see him fail. Nothing else matters. I was all for bipartisanship a year ago, but at this point, forget it.
I agree with this as well. I have felt from the beginning and expected Obama to disregard the Republicans in pushing forth his plans. After all, with Bush in the WH and Cheney calling the shots, Republicans were working on putting this country into another Great Depression. 8 years of Bush taught us that Republicans have no answers to the problems that plague this nation. None. "No new taxes" is all I hear from that bunch. They had that during the Bush years and look what happened. They're screaming about "spending", yet their village idiot leader spent a trillion dollars on that failed war after LYING to get congressional approval and continued funding. Absolutely absurd.
The sooner that Obama tells the Republicans to "go to hell", the sooner real progress will be made. This country can't move forward when we're giving any consideration to the regressive conservative ideology. This is clear and the great revelation that emerged from the Bush years at the beginning of the 21st century.
I think that he is giving the Members of Congress (both sides) way too much credit. He expects them to act like adults and they are not for the most part. He expects them to act in the best interest of the American people and they are not for the most part.
If he were more forceful from the outset with his proposals, he could then moderate his positions as negotiations proceed, and he would be more appreciated for his willingness to compromise. Instead, he starts out wanting to "play nice" with everybody, and gets steamrolled as the process moves along. The health care debate is a prime example of this.
Reasonable? Surely you're kidding. He's about as unreasonable as one can be. He's an absolute idiot, and has no clue what he's doing...
...unless, he is destroying the country on purpose. And that is my belief.
It is time for all Americans to stand against this tyranny. Do the right thing in 2010. Primarily, get rid of anyone who calls themselves "Progressive", and get rid of those who call themselves "liberal.
Obama has filled the White House with radicals (communists, socialists, and all kinds of "anti-capitalists"). He is a tyrant. Their intent is to destroy our Republic.
If he were more forceful from the outset with his proposals, he could then moderate his positions as negotiations proceed, and he would be more appreciated for his willingness to compromise. Instead, he starts out wanting to "play nice" with everybody, and gets steamrolled as the process moves along. The health care debate is a prime example of this.
0bama stated he wanted to end all earmarks, and yet our president seemed to have been forced to sign bills with over 10,000 earmarks, eg... the stimulus bill, the Omnibus bill, and the defense bill, while his own party was in control.
0bama stated numerous times that he wanted C-SPAN cameras and open debate on health care, and yet the senate and congress held closed door meetings, excluding the press and republicans. Need i remind you which political party was in control of both the congress and senate?
0bama and the democrats had the entire year with super majority in the legislature, they excluded the republicans from offering their own bills or offering their voice to the procedure, and 0bama could not get the congress and senate to agree on a bill.
Its simplistic to say that the past year of complete partisanship by democrats, was an example of 0bama being too nice a guy.
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