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View Poll Results: are you in favor of reconciliation to pass the health care bill?
yes 42 40.38%
no 60 57.69%
not sure 2 1.92%
Voters: 104. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-03-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Could those of you who favor using reconciliation to pass the health care reform bill please contribute to this thread?
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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As far as I know, possibly without the knowledge of every time its been used, its been used for budgetary bills, which it was designed to be used for. Even Senator Byrd realizes that this is not designed to be used any bill that the majority wants passed any any cost.
SCHIP and COBRA among other things don't fit that definition.
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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As far as I know, possibly without the knowledge of every time its been used, its been used for budgetary bills, which it was designed to be used for. Even Senator Byrd realizes that this is not designed to be used any bill that the majority wants passed any any cost.
It has been used for all kinds of bills, not just budgetory bills
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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As most liberals believe, "The end justifies the means."

Sounds like something Dick Cheney would say............
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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As far as I know, possibly without the knowledge of every time its been used, its been used for budgetary bills, which it was designed to be used for. Even Senator Byrd realizes that this is not designed to be used any bill that the majority wants passed any any cost.
It has been used for all kinds of bills, not just budgetory bills
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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There is something to be said for the comity of the Senate. This will go a long way to distroying that.
Funniest thing I've read all day . . .
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:31 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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The bill has already been passed without reconciliation. It is awaiting the House to pass the Senate version. Again, no reconciliation here.

Where there is talk of reconciliation is using it to pass amendments. And those amendments have to be within the Byrd rule.

The nuclear option as used by the Republicans in the previous administration was a threat to remove filibuster. Using reconciliation is not a nuclear option as meant by the Repubs during the Bush years. Saying that reconciliation is the nuclear option is a deliberate attempt by the Republicans (and Fox News) to mislead the public... especially given the number of times it has been used by the Republicans and for bills that were also large and involved health care.
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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Hell yes ,i am!!
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:37 PM
 
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however, setting that aside, I have to say I was tempted by the nuclear option under the republicans but and now glad they did not opt for it.
It seems that Republicans have flip-flopped on the definition of "nuclear option". I guess it means whatever they want it to mean, depending on who's in control of Congress.

Also, if this health care bill is such a disaster and if it's going to drive voters away from Democrats, then Republicans should be cheering for its passage.
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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This isn't even remotely close to the Nuclear Option.....
It is most certainly akin to the nuclear option.

while this is not exactly that, it is certainly an end around to avoid being forced to call a cloture vote.

It will have the same kind of impact on the Senate that the NO would have had.
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