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Old 03-07-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It is true that such propaganda is more "in your face" than ever before, and people seem somewhat more gullible, but it was alive and well 25 years ago too. Even in the 60s they talked about the commies infiltrating the collages.
Where were you in the 60s when all that was going on? Remember your age when you make those noises.

Commies were infiltrating colleges in the 60s and 70s as can be seen plainly by who was renting meeting halls at many colleges for people of the anti-war movement. Much of that can be proved by reading some things from the FBI but then you would know about it so I am sure you won't be looking.
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Beck is dealing with it on the Federal level, but its a state issue. The California constitution clearly states that the state is obligated to provide an education. The people in California expect the state to fulfill that obligation. I would bet most states have similar provisions. So there is a states right to an Education. So Beck can rant all he wants about the fact that Federal Constitution doesn't provide for a right to an education. He is looking in the wrong place.
Sorry but you are calling a pig a cow here. Beck was only talking about the fact that many people call education a right and the rights that are guaranteed in the Constitution are not the same kind of rights that state constitutions talk about. He is talking about the rights supposedly guaranteed by those who wanted to accept the second Bill of Rights that FDR tried to get installed.

I think that you are just talking in circles with me about rights and we aren't talking about the same kind of rights.
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So in conservative areas, who runs the schools? Liberals? Are they surreptioulsy sneaking in? Or do they just swagger right into to town, with a copy of Das Kapital in one hand and a Starbucks coffee in the other, like a new Marshal?

Help me out here.
Liberals are in control of printing textbooks and other educational materials. Liberals are in control of most education departments in colleges.
Liberals are surely in control of the teachers' unions. I learned that way back in the 1970s and got out of the NEA just as quick as I could.

This crap goes on and on but the worst part of it is that the Generation WE makes up so much of the teaching age people coming into the profession. It is very apparent that we have some here who admit to this and that they are very liberal in their thinking.
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:58 PM
 
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Liberals are in control of printing textbooks and other educational materials. Liberals are in control of most education departments in colleges.
Liberals are surely in control of the teachers' unions. I learned that way back in the 1970s and got out of the NEA just as quick as I could.

This crap goes on and on but the worst part of it is that the Generation WE makes up so much of the teaching age people coming into the profession. It is very apparent that we have some here who admit to this and that they are very liberal in their thinking.
Liberals set curriculum in red states? that's why TN and TX and other places are pushing their own revised textbooks, because they are impartial themselves... oh WAIT!

I'll concede that more liberals may write text books. But that doesn't demonstrate a conspiracy. It demonstrates that more liberals are college educated.

Also, I lived a decade in West Texas, had kids, and a school teacher wife, and you're dreaming if you think it was liberal bogeymen running the education show there.
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Old 03-07-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Liberals set curriculum in red states? that's why TN and TX and other places are pushing their own revised textbooks, because they are impartial themselves... oh WAIT!

I'll concede that more liberals may write text books. But that doesn't demonstrate a conspiracy. It demonstrates that more liberals are college educated.

Also, I lived a decade in West Texas, had kids, and a school teacher wife, and you're dreaming if you think it was liberal bogeymen running the education show there.
Exceptions certainly do exist. Case in point with my mother, who is a school teacher in a fairly liberal district in suburban St. Louis, yet she herself--an educator with a Masters degree in Applied Mathematics from the University of Illinois--identifies as a conservative. I think the main point, however, is that the majority of public school teachers are liberal due to government funding, the unions, and relatively low salaries (depending on the district of course).

It's not that I hate all liberals, but I just want to slap some of them silly--the ones who stereotype conservatives as being either "elitists" or poor, rural, uneducated whites from the South. There are plenty of everyday, well-educated middle class folks who are conservative.

Moreover, the fact of the matter is, when push comes to shove, more Americans would identify as conservative or independent than liberal...

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Old 03-08-2010, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Sorry but you are calling a pig a cow here. Beck was only talking about the fact that many people call education a right and the rights that are guaranteed in the Constitution are not the same kind of rights that state constitutions talk about. He is talking about the rights supposedly guaranteed by those who wanted to accept the second Bill of Rights that FDR tried to get installed.

I think that you are just talking in circles with me about rights and we aren't talking about the same kind of rights.
Beck was ranting about people demanding the right for the an education, which he rightly claims is not in the Federal constitution. The thing is; it isn't a Federal issue, so it doesn't matter what is in the Federal constitution. The states are therefore free to guarantee whatever rights they desire in the area of education. I'm pretty sure there was no mention of the 2nd Bill of rights on Fridays show.
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Where were you in the 60s when all that was going on? Remember your age when you make those noises.
I admit I was rather young, but it is not necessary to 'be there' in order to know.

Some called the Vietnam era 1960s as the 'age of Orwell', because the government used so many resources to silence the opposition to Vietnam war.

You don't' remember the 'encouragement' for people to build fall out shelters so they can survive a nuclear war? Oh yea, keep thinking about that nuclear war. Be afraid, be veeeery afraid.

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Commies were infiltrating colleges in the 60s and 70s as can be seen plainly by who was renting meeting halls at many colleges for people of the anti-war movement. Much of that can be proved by reading some things from the FBI but then you would know about it so I am sure you won't be looking.
I am not saying the country was completely commie-free, I am saying there is nothing new in propaganda in US. There was a huge propaganda effort against the Soviets directed by the FBI. The "cointelpro" worked directly with the journalists to create fake "news" about the commies. There was propaganda when they were working on the new deal, and I am sure the flood of propaganda directed by Bush admon in 2002 when they sold the Iraq war in US.

Or do you insist it is new?

Just out of interest: Did you know they after the WW-II ended, the US and Soviets were not only competing for the German rocket and scientists, and tech experts but also for the mind control specialists and intelligence personnel? We got them all (except for those who were put to death), so learned from the masters.
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Old 03-08-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Liberals are in control of printing textbooks and other educational materials. Liberals are in control of most education departments in colleges.
Liberals are surely in control of the teachers' unions. I learned that way back in the 1970s and got out of the NEA just as quick as I could.

This crap goes on and on but the worst part of it is that the Generation WE makes up so much of the teaching age people coming into the profession. It is very apparent that we have some here who admit to this and that they are very liberal in their thinking.


Texas is where the majority of school text books originate. California has their own distorted views, where history starts at 1877.

Austin, a very liberal town, the most liberal Progressive city in Texas, is in control of what is and is not included in the history text books our kids learn from.

Austin schools are 95% taught by Progressive agenda teachers.
It is bad, when my 12 year old daughter, knows more about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, than her history and world culture teacher does.
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Old 03-08-2010, 09:32 AM
 
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omg.

Another one of Roy's commie conspiracy threads... ???

What I find most frightening is that Roy is a retired teacher.
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Old 03-08-2010, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Actually, that is a false statement. Almost everything you hear him discuss can be found for yourself through your own research. He sensationalizes some things because as "Liberal Voice" said above, his show is also entertainment. But the fact remains, when I do catch Beck on the radio, the things he is discussing are real, and they are a threat to our society as we know it.

Now, if you happen to think the old ways are all wrong and need to change, then Beck would be your public enemy #1, because he wants us to study up and see how much our government, and not just under Obama's government, is trying to change America. How they have slowly seeped into every facet of your life. Just how far do you plan to let them go before you realize that this is not about party or ideology to them, this is about control. And people like Beck touch on a lot of truth amidst their ranting and that is what you must realize. It's not all lies. Don't let your personal feelings or "media" induced feelings about the man rob you of an opportunity to hear some factual information. And then, follow up yourself and see where it leads. Not just on the net, get some books, write congress, ask for copies of legislature, whatever, it's all in your power to do so.

The man is not a liar, but I won't say he tells the whole truth either. I beleive he lies, everyone lies. But not about everything folks, not everything.
This is how I view Glenn Beck. Thank you for your post.
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