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Originally posted by Reads2Much
Wrong. This is proof that you are a "social" studies teacher. Thus, you don't teach real history, you teach bits of history that have been deemed good for the collective. If you are a real teacher, then you must know how much history is left out of the books. If you do not know this, you are either not a real history teacher or you are teaching at a very low grade level. Not a put down, a statement of fact. Saying that something is wrong just because you haven't heard about it means nothing. It means you haven't read the books. Not that its your fault, you read what you needed to become a teacher. But just because you are teacher, doesn't mean you can't learn from others.
Actually, I am a "real teacher". I majored in history, and I teach 9th grade World History. My students rarely use the textbook. 80% of my material comes from other sources--usually primary sources from the time period I'm teaching on--some of which is gritty stuff. I do this BECAUSE a ton of history is taken out of books. This, in turn, is because there isn't enough time to look at 5k years of human civilization in 9 months.
Oh and our American history textbooks had to have been written by Republicans because it's very favorable toward Reagan. (I don't care either way, personally) So don't tell me that public ed is socialist across the board. A district is only as liberal as the town it serves.
And your bolded part is right. It just irritates me that commentators like Beck ( and some on the left) take an incident that happened and them make it sound like EVERY PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY is brainwashing our kids, and that teachers like me are getting orders from on high to do it. To me, that's insulting. My goal is to give my students a good education. I don't care how they end up politically.
Originally posted by artisan10
"National Day of Action to Defend Education" was out in force, right here in CA. Protesters got violent; they blocked traffic, smashed out car windows and threw punches. You don't need to listen to Glenn Beck to see what's happening, you just have to open your eyes.
Ah yes, and California is so representative of the whole country. Sorry, but California isn't Iowa. I never saw them in West Michigan (where I grew up) or in North Carolina (where I am). It doesn't mean they're nonexistent, but I see nothing to fear. Just Beck fanning flames again--just like a certain Wisconsin senator from the 50s.
All they do is attack Beck on a personal level. He's crazy, he cries, he's a conspiracy guy, he's an ex-alcoholic.....blah blah.....
But they never debate the issues he brings up. Why? Because they are true! So they use the Saul Alinski method.....denegrate the messenger, marginalize him so that no one will listen.
But it's not working this time.
I fear that you are completely right about this not working. I think that more and more people are hearing Beck and wish more of them would watch his TV show. He is gaining.
These people have to do what they are doing because they take their info from left leaners like Kos, HuffPo, and ThinkProgress. I love hearing them tear into him like they do with so little real knowledge about him.
I am very skeptical of someone who just uses quick soundbites to go on a rant without letting us here the rest or know the context of what was said. Other than that, I don't think he outright lies. Most talking heads don't, they just selectively present information. Really, from what I saw (and I will concede I did not watch the entire show) it was all opinion, and it sounded like paranoia. He wasn't exposing any secret communist plots. For example, he was comlaining about a commercial where a kid said the world was becoming more global. He didn't say we shouldn't maintain our sovereignty. It's just kind of a fact that business markets are becoming more global and through resources like the internet we are becoming more in touch with others in the world. It's not liberal or conservative, it just is. The students in the commercial also talked about environmental problems. The fact is they do exist, even the vast majority of conservatives agree. The commercial didn't say to increase regulation, actually the commercial was aimed at helping individuals take action. It wasn't aimed at government. It was kind of a conservative message in that sense, but Beck still criticized it because he seems to think anyone younger than him doesn't have enough maturity to have an opinion. I am also a big Meghan McCain fan, so maybe I'm a little biased, but I don't like the way he treats her. She never she knows better than people who are older (again with the soundbites), she just said her generation is generally fairly socially liberal, considerably more so than their parents (excluding the issue of abortion, many youth are still strongly pro-life). Fiscally conservative values also appeal to the younger generation, but they often side with Democrats anyway because of people like Beck. Meghan is trying to help win our generation over to fiscal conservatism, however many of us are very turned off with Beck's style of conservatism. I'm pretty sure I got way more liberal just by watching 10 minutes of that. Unless you want more people turning left, I would stop recommending Beck. He only appeals to people who were already conservative.
To clarify my personal position - I never meant that every word out of his mouth is a lie. But, by being selective and purposely misinterpreting statements others make to suit his agenda, he distorts and maligns the truth to the point that it is not present in his diatribes.
I fear that you are completely right about this not working. I think that more and more people are hearing Beck and wish more of them would watch his TV show. He is gaining.
These people have to do what they are doing because they take their info from left leaners like Kos, HuffPo, and ThinkProgress. I love hearing them tear into him like they do with so little real knowledge about him.
Come on, Roy. You keep responding to others. I gave a logical and thought-out response to your propaganda.
You have ignored me every other time I have disproven Beck. I'm not letting you get away with it this time.
Respond to posts 15 and 16 - your own thoughts; your own research. No links to Beck. Let's go.
Beck has no credibility on the issue of education - he rants against public education and then in his CPAC speech claims he got a "free" education at the library (an education paid for by tax dollars for a socialist service resulting from the progressive movement). So, it is up to you to find the argument he tried but failed to make.
I fear that you are completely right about this not working. I think that more and more people are hearing Beck and wish more of them would watch his TV show. He is gaining.
So going from 3,705,000 million viewers on January 20, 2010 to 2,498,000 viewers this past Thursday is "gaining"?
Face it 'oldboy your messiah's popularity is waning...
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fly, I have referenced you to the PowerShift 09 keynote speech from Van Jones and see that you haven't looked yet. You really should listen to all three parts of that speech in order to see that Beck DID NOT lie about the man. He declared years ago that he was a communist and has done and said too many things lately to prove he is.
Do you believe that he resigned from his "Green" job and wasn't told to do so? I'll bet you do. Obama has never admitted to being a Communist but when he finds that someone can prove his people are that he has to act. Nobody I know of went after Jones, but for Beck and this time Beck was 100% right no matter what the three sources I accuse you of reading too much say about the whole thing.
Please see my post #16 for more clarification. I do not think what you accuse me of thinking. The evidence against Beck as a liar and distorter of truth are simply insurmountable at this point.
You have been deceived by propaganda against the Obama administration. I know a thing or two about history and what you oppose is simple liberalism (nothing new under the sun).
Do you, in all your knowledge about political history, not know that liberal is the name that the early progressives took when their name became unpopular in the US? Come on and admit that you are so far left that you can't even see over the hump of the center.
I will take it that you watched Beck's offering from 3-5-10. If you did that I will take it that you heard Algore saying to a group of middle school kids that what their parents probably tell them about manmade global warming is probably wrong. That they should not listen to their parents but should listen to their teachers about that subject. You did hear that part, didn't you?
Yes I did, but here's the thing. If Al Gore is visiting your local middle school, this means the majority of the populace in that middle school's attendance zone agrees with Al Gore. After all, as I stated before education is the ultimate form of local government and it reflects what the community believes. I am obviously liberal, but the populace of my daughter's school is not. They did not show Obama's speech last year. I wasn't thrilled, but I accept the fact that we live in a conservative Houston suburb. It was, after all a local decision.
fly, I have referenced you to the PowerShift 09 keynote speech from Van Jones and see that you haven't looked yet. You really should listen to all three parts of that speech in order to see that Beck DID NOT lie about the man. He declared years ago that he was a communist and has done and said too many things lately to prove he is.
Do you believe that he resigned from his "Green" job and wasn't told to do so? I'll bet you do. Obama has never admitted to being a Communist but when he finds that someone can prove his people are that he has to act. Nobody I know of went after Jones, but for Beck and this time Beck was 100% right no matter what the three sources I accuse you of reading too much say about the whole thing.
I watched the entire PowerShift speech, Roy. That is the basis for my entire argument in favor of Van Jones as a market capitalist and all the evidence I need that Beck would play a clip, latch onto a catch phrase that conjures fear in the minds of conservatives, alter the intended meaning for which Van Jones used that phrase, and then demonize someone like Jones based on outright lies and misinformation.
Beck lied about Van Jones and I've proven that to you on previous threads. Stay on topic here. You need to do better. Come on. Engage that educated mind. Stop letting Beck think for you.
Give me some meat.
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