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Old 03-25-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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So tell me directly that you believe that you do have a social responsibility to your neighbors and community, that you have a responsibility to help take care of those who cannot care for themselves. Tell us that you are okay with your tax money being spent to help the needy.
My money is not being spent on the needy? Is Obama spending all of it? Man he and those green energy people have to stop being so greedy.

 
Old 03-25-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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Both Conservatives and Liberals care for the poor and homeless. The main difference being that Liberals expect the government to take care of the problem while Conservatives think the Government system generates dependency and enables wasteful fraud. Conservatives want to eliminate the abuse that's rampant in government-run entitlement programs, which is often regurgitated by Liberals as "Conservatives want the poor to starve".

The biggest charities, shelters, and food banks in my city are operated by the church (who are overwhelmingly Conservative). In addition, Conservatives are more likely to volunteer and donate blood than Liberals, further disproving the 'heartless Conservative' stereotype.
Well, the Conservatives need to prove how much abuse of the system is out there. They just ASSUME that most of the benefits are going to people who cheat and abuse. As you did above in your statement about "eliminate the abuse that's rampant in government-run entitlement programs." Do you have any proof whatsoever that "abuse" is RAMPANT within that system. Also, have you ever thought that those programs which help the needy are really public ASSISTANCE programs rather than "entitlement" programs. Just more words to inflame regarding this subject.

In my city, the biggest charities, shelters and food banks are operated by liberals. So what?

"The number of suburban residents living in poverty rose by nearly 64 percent between 2000 and 2011, to about 16.4 million people, according to a Brookings Institution analysis of 95 of the nation's largest metropolitan areas. That's more than double the rate of growth for urban poverty in those areas."

Sprawling and Struggling: Poverty Hits America's Suburbs
 
Old 03-25-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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My money is not being spent on the needy? Is Obama spending all of it? Man he and those green energy people have to stop being so greedy.
So you support public assistance programs for the needy now. Very good.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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So tell me directly that you believe that you do have a social responsibility to your neighbors and community, that you have a responsibility to help take care of those who cannot care for themselves. Tell us that you are okay with your tax money being spent to help the needy.
If someone says they disagree with what you've said/asked ... they wouldn't be considered a Christian.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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Liberals lie constantly, with reckless abandon, as in this post
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I disagree completely. Right wingers pay lip service to giving "charity" to the poor in an attempt to not seem like completely nefarious, but in essence, just by reading their posts, you can tell what they think of the poor and homeless. They despise them. They have nothing good to say about them. They view them as scum. So no, your comment doesn't fly.
Claud, I disagree. I don't see any lies in that post. SOME people do exactly that. From reading posts in many of the anti-food-stamp-and-welfare-threads on this very forum, it is clear that many people who consider themselves conservative and right wing, think that the majority of people using public assistance are liars and cheats, and make post after post about pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, as if everyone needing help is just lazy and worthless. There is a definite tone of maliciousness to those posts. You can't have missed that.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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It seems the OP of the "Despicable Liberals" thread, Fuselage, has abandoned his/her thread. Do you think that means he/she no longer thinks that all liberals are despicable?
 
Old 03-25-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Well, the Conservatives need to prove how much abuse of the system is out there. They just ASSUME that most of the benefits are going to people who cheat and abuse. As you did above in your statement about "eliminate the abuse that's rampant in government-run entitlement programs." Do you have any proof whatsoever that "abuse" is RAMPANT within that system.
No, conservatives don't have to prove anything. Whether 1 person is abusing them or 1 billion people are abusing them is irrelevant. They should operate properly regardless.
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Also, have you ever thought that those programs which help the needy are really public ASSISTANCE programs rather than "entitlement" programs. Just more words to inflame regarding this subject.
They are entitlement programs. It is not just words to inflame anything. An entitlement program is "a government program that targets a particular section of the population to receive specific social benefits." That is its dictionary definition.

So no, they are not really public assistance programs. They are entitlement programs. That is the correct term.
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In my city, the biggest charities, shelters and food banks are operated by liberals. So what?

"The number of suburban residents living in poverty rose by nearly 64 percent between 2000 and 2011, to about 16.4 million people, according to a Brookings Institution analysis of 95 of the nation's largest metropolitan areas. That's more than double the rate of growth for urban poverty in those areas."

Sprawling and Struggling: Poverty Hits America's Suburbs
Which goes to show that the liberal safety net isn't working very well.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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First, "Despicable Liberals" is NOT a "characteristic" of All Liberals.
Yes it is.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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I do not think it is overgeneralized if it is a characteristic.

This thread was started in 2010 by someone else. The person you responded to may have started an anti-liberal thread but it wasn't this thread.
Kidkaos2, here you go, Post #280, was the first post in the "Despicable Liberals" thread which was merged into this thread about liberal intolerance. You can read from Post 280 onward to see the responses of fuselage to the comments.

//www.city-data.com/forum/28814223-post280.html
 
Old 03-25-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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No, conservatives don't have to prove anything. Whether 1 person is abusing them or 1 billion people are abusing them is irrelevant. They should operate properly regardless.
They are entitlement programs. It is not just words to inflame anything. An entitlement program is "a government program that targets a particular section of the population to receive specific social benefits." That is its dictionary definition.

So no, they are not really public assistance programs. They are entitlement programs. That is the correct term.
Which goes to show that the liberal safety net isn't working very well.
Please. Do you really think ANY SYSTEM works perfectly. Of course they don't. Not even the justice system works perfectly. So the public assistance welfare programs are NOT going to be perfect; some people will abuse the system. However, I do not for one minute think the majority of people who receive public assistance are crooks, liars, and are cheating the system. Yet that is the claim most often made by conservatives, like "rampant abuse" and no one can offer any proof to support their assumptions.

Actually liberals support both, government public assistance programs, and charities, etc. There seems to be great need in this country, so there's always room for more help.
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