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Old 03-09-2010, 10:14 PM
 
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South Africa’s Developmental Challenges
Ten years after Apartheid


A very interesting bit of reading here. I feel there is a lot of truth in it and a bit of foreshadowing as to what may happen to the United States if we continue to allow this socialist movement to unfold.

This part especially hits home...

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Being affiliated with the communists and the labor unions, it is hard for the
ANC to continue to increase economic freedom in the country.
More freedom is
needed for growth because, as people tend to forget, increased economic growth will
provide more jobs and more resources for the government to tackle the country’s
challenges
. With the ANC’s current popularity it should go ahead with liberalizing
labor market regulations which would give the country the largest “bang-for-the-
buck” today. Instead of looking at why western countries became rich in the first
place, the ANC has turned to implementing policies and services like the rich-
European countries are doing today. South Africa is going ahead of itself as it lacks
the resources needed at its current stage of development
. South Africans’ increased
impatience will hopefully ensure a new powerful opposition party which will force
the ANC to focus on the right things. The African continent needs a successful South
Africa. It gives citizens in other African countries hope which South Africa has all
the potentials to live up to.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:39 PM
 
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A very interesting bit of reading here. I feel there is a lot of truth in it and a bit of foreshadowing as to what may happen to the United States if we continue to allow this socialist movement to unfold.
Please explain to me how South Africa is similar in any way to the US politically speaking? You are comparing apples to pumpkins.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:44 PM
 
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More freedom is
needed for growth because, as people tend to forget, increased economic growth will
provide more jobs and more resources for the government to tackle the country’s
challenges.
check out the articles here:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...nder-last.html
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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Please explain to me how South Africa is similar in any way to the US politically speaking? You are comparing apples to pumpkins.
Why don't you try reading the report first! Good grief...
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:53 PM
 
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"Socialism" like they have in Scandanavia?........ Where they have the highest taxes in the World?


Where the people rate the happiest in the World?

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

And the highest standard of living in the World?

Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And have the least corrupt governments in the World?

The Top Ten: Least Corrupt Countries



BTW....... it's not "Socialism"........... it's a "Social Democracy"......go read a book.

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Old 03-09-2010, 10:59 PM
 
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Haha, do you realize what "liberalizing labor market regulations" in a country like South Africa would do? My god, if you thought it was bad now...South Africa already has an incredible wealth disparity, and such action would only make things worse.

Fin24.com>>Economy>>SA wealth gap widening (http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?ArticleId=1518-25_2258159 - broken link)

The social unrest which has so many Afrikaners scared sh*tless would intensify significantly. Your article claims that no race is oppressed, yet black SAers earn only 1/8 of white SAers. I'm not suggesting that SA is racist like it used to be, just that one of SA's big problems is race relations, and the economic structure of apartheid doesn't vanish immediately when you remove the rules. The loosening of labor regulations would only heighten the disparity, making the country much worse off, sorry to tell you.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:32 PM
 
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Why don't you try reading the report first! Good grief...
I did read the report, which by the way was published in 2004. I am also from there.

A lot has changed in 6 years. Thabo Mbeki was an academic, and a relative moderate. He implemented some interesting economic reforms, but was not a popular president, and certainly did not represent a socialist agenda, but merely followed the work begun by his predecessor. With Jacob Zuma now at the helm, things are bound to change dramatically. Although both were ANC candidates, their politics could not be more different. Zuma is a lifelong supporter of communism. The relationship between the ANC, the South African Communist Party, and the Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) is extremely complicated, and the balance of power between the three organizations continuously shifts, which alters the political thrust at the time. This is officially known as the Tripartite Alliance. The ANC and COSATU have famously been at odds since 1994 over many policy issues, notably the governments handling of the HIV epidemic.

I'm still not sure how you could compare the political style of government in South Africa to the US.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:37 PM
 
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I did read the report, which by the way was published in 2004. I am also from there.

A lot has changed in 6 years. Thabo Mbeki was an academic, and a relative moderate. He implemented some interesting economic reforms, but was not a popular president, and certainly did not represent a socialist agenda, but merely followed the work begun by his predecessor. With Jacob Zuma now at the helm, things are bound to change dramatically. Although both were ANC candidates, their politics could not be more different. Zuma is a lifelong supporter of communism. The relationship between the ANC, the South African Communist Party, and the Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) is extremely complicated, and the balance of power between the three organizations continuously shifts, which alters the political thrust at the time. This is officially known as the Tripartite Alliance. The ANC and COSATU have famously been at odds since 1994 over many policy issues, notably the governments handling of the HIV epidemic.

I'm still not sure how you could compare the political style of government in South Africa to the US.
It's known as dog whistle politics. You only "get it" if you think "real Americans" (whites) in the USA are too nice and accomodating to brown people.

This is what the OP is really saying....... He just calls the problem "socialism".

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Old 03-09-2010, 11:48 PM
 
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It's known as dog whistle politics. You only "get it" if you think "real Americans" (whites) in the USA are too nice and accomodating to brown people.

This is what the OP is really saying....... He just calls the problem "socialism".
Duh, stupid me, I didn't even notice. Thanks for pointing it out. This board is getting crazier by the day.
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Old 03-10-2010, 06:44 PM
 
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Please explain to me how South Africa is similar in any way to the US politically speaking? You are comparing apples to pumpkins.
Just try reading the red high lighted portion of the post. Particularly the bit about economic growth. That = jobs = money to spend = cheaper health care!!!! among other things. We need to work hard as a nation and make stuff and be productive and get paid for doing this and a lot of problems will take care of themselves.
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