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And because the process isn't convoluted enough, Dems now want to attach a Student Loans bill to the healthcare bill as it goes through reconciliation.
Can anyone explain what one has to do with the other??
The Dems see the writing on the wall... They're going to be voted out en masse in November, and are trying to cram through whatever they can via reconciliation.
And because the process isn't convoluted enough, Dems now want to attach a Student Loans bill to the healthcare bill as it goes through reconciliation.
Can anyone explain what one has to do with the other??
The Reconciliation process currently being put together, is not a Health Care bill process. It is a Budget Reconciliation process that will include some budget implications to the Health Care bill that has already passed and potentially other budget related issues. Budget Reconciliation can be done once each fiscal year. The Student loan process is also budget related, if the Govt is going to provide student loan funds, bypassing private loan groups, it would have to be budgeted for. Hence, it is related to the current Reconciliation process.
If you want to be enraged about something, why not getting enraged about the Repubs not wanting to build the Financial Reform bill for the Senate. Prompting the Dems to, once again, have to go it alone to try to enact legislation to protect us from repeating the very same type of Financial crisis from which, we are just now beginning to recover.
Perhaps, Saggy, you could enlighten us again how things will be better when- 1. we add 30-40 million consumers with the same number of providers
2. How we can add 30-40 million patients and SAVE MONEY? Are these patients going to cost less than ZERO?
And you claim to be a doctor. The problem with these 30-40 million people is not that they don't get health care. It's that they get the wrong kind of care at the wrong time and they get it in the most expensive manner possible with everyone else footing the bill. As someone who also claims to pay $500,000 a year in federal income taxes, that "everyone else" is often you.
There will of course be increasing demand for professional medical services, a demand which can be met by recruiting from aboad, by expanding medical training and licensing programs here, and by shifting basic medical services away from doctors and onto the likes of pharmacists and physcian's assistants. 90% of basic medicine simply does not require one to have run the gamut of med school, internship, and residency.
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3. How medicare will improve when they are heisting 500 billion from medicare to help finance the current uninsured.
Those are cuts in unit costs, not cuts in available services.
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4. How illegal aliens have a right to healthcare when they are in the country illegally
Status quo is what? Are illegals allowed to purchase health care insurance through their employers? Can they purchase COBRA coverage on their own? Are they treated if they show up at an emergency room? What changes would the health care bills make in the matter?
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5. How the Feds are going to fight the states who have passed, and are passing, state legislation to over ride the federal mandate that every citizen have healthcare.
No need to fight them. Just sit back and laugh at them.
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6. When we are broke, with medicare bust in 2017 and social security in 2037, how adding 1.4 trillion in expense is such a wise move at this time?
A money issuing authority can never be broke, the only significant problem with Medicare is that the health care system is so screwed up, and there isn't anything wrong wity Social Security at the moment at all. As for your $1.4 trillion, it is not only offset, but more than offset. Read something from CBO now and then.
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7. Canadians (who can afford to do so) travel to the US for surgery they cannot obtain in a timely fashion in Canada?
Hundreds of thousands of Americans flee the US for medical care abroad every year. You can fly to India or Thailand, for instance, enjoy a lovely vacation, have your surgery, fly home again, and still save money over what the procedure would have cost here. An MRI in Japan costs about $100. What's the average cost here, Doctor???
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8. Why national healthcare is bankrupting the UK?
It isn't, and why is it that many dullards wish only to talk about Canada or the UK. We've been left in the dust by many more countries than just those two. How are we doing against Taiwan, France, or some of these Scandinavian countries? Worse, that's how.
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9. Why in Cuba, patients must bring thier own linens and buy thier own surgical instruments for procedures from the US?
I think you meant sutures, Doctor, not surgical instruments. You do know the difference, right, and how would patients buy anything from the US? There is this silly economic blockade, you know, and it has hurt all aspects of Cuba's economy, including health care. As in the US, however, there are high quality services available to the wealthy and the favored. Not so much for those at the other end of the scale.
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Nonetheless, one way or another (either passed or not), it is the end of Obama's presidency.
Repeat after me: 2017...2017...2017...2017...2017...2017...
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If you want to be enraged about something, why not getting enraged about the Repubs not wanting to build the Financial Reform bill for the Senate. Prompting the Dems to, once again, have to go it alone to try to enact legislation to protect us from repeating the very same type of Financial crisis from which, we are just now beginning to recover.
"I'd say the authorization to wage war against Iraq had a pretty big impact on Americans".
It wasn't that large or to comlicated to understand. You have read it haven't you?
[CENTER]JOINT RESOLUTION [/CENTER]
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq. Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq; Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism; Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated; Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998; Whereas in Public Law 105-235 (August 14, 1998), Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in `material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President `to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations'; Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations; Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait; Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people; Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council; Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq; Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens; Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations; Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself; Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 (1991), and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949 (1994); Whereas in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1), Congress has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677'; Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688'; Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime; Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'; Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary; Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations; Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations; Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled
Hey...be fair...we've turned over all of these programs by "blindly" trusting the Federal Government and they have all been "HIGHLY" successful:
1) Social Security - original cost estimates have quadrupled ten times over. It is a bankrupt system that NEITHER party wants to address because it is not palatable.
2) Medicare - Fraught with fraud and on the verge of bankruptcy...cost estimates MUCH greater than originally estimated.
3) Medicaid - Fraught with fraud and on the verge of bankruptcy...cost estimates MUCH greater than originally estimated.
4) Public Housing - Violence, narcotics, unsafe living conditions.....huge success....a safe haven....
5) U.S. Post Office....can't even deliver mail on Saturdays anymore because they are losing MORE and MORE money every year...can't keep up or compete with "PRIVATE" enterprise....hey what a novel idea...utilize "PRIVATE" enterprise for competition that leads to "LOWER" costs....
I know....Health Care will be "DIFFERENT"!!! We can trust Barack and his "TRANSPARENCY"....let's look up transparency in the dictionary...does it include backroom deals, does it include basically bribing people to vote with you?? Does it include allowing certain states (who's Senator or Congress person you need) to opt out of certain medicare requirements while other states foot the bill?? Come on...anything this government (Democrat or Republican) touches turns to shyte fraught with fraud, bloated government waste, and ABSOLUTELY NO COST SAVINGS EVER!!!!! There is NOTHING they do that is effective, economical, or cost saving...from buying $100 hammers to underhanded bribes and abuse......Come on people wake up!!!!!!! This bill does NOTHING to reduce cost.......
I wrote my feeling from the perspective of an individual who has lived quite a while and has observed the average citizen in his work-a-day world.
You can have all the feelings you want. But those alone don't qualify you to comment intelligently on any aspect of health care or anything else. You've got more work to do than that. You make claims that go beyond the bounds of your competency, and when called to explain them, you offer soundbites and cheap shots. That ain't big league ball...
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as long as they fleece the public and satisfy their shareholders.
