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Old 03-12-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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LOL Well that's my point, if a peaceful settlement were made an invasion of, say, SC or one of the Northeastern states would be unlikely.

You know, I've suggested before that all the states simply secede from the union and create a new union. Leave the feds with DC (and the debt).

If we simply stopped buying China's garbage and the world stopped buying Russia's oil, both would be pretty weak eventually.
Well, but in the new union there would be the same Americans that formed the old union, the same people with the same extreme and contradicting opinions and goals. I don't think the result would be any better. You might solve some problems such as the debt in the short run, but create bigger ones in the long run. For instance you would lose the trust of the international community, which could devastate your economy. For instance, if the US ceased to exist, all the copyrights and patents based on US law would be lost...
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Old 03-12-2010, 11:30 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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For instance, if the US ceased to exist, all the copyrights and patents based on US law would be lost...
...and picked up by others...
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Old 03-12-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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"..Dislike of the 14th Amendment. Christian Exodus calls the 14th Amendment to the Constitution "fraudulent" because the states of the southern confederacy were not allowed to vote on it. The amendment abolished slavery, made former slaves citizens and gave them the vote. Christian Exodus says "We hold that it is the right of the various States to nullify this Amendment and all laws and court rulings arising from it."

Christian Exodus

Dosen't sound like a very Christian enterprise. If their leanings came to fruition and I made the mistake of driving through there could they keep me?
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Old 03-16-2010, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Moving around west virginia looking for home
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According to you know I would expect not. I hope Christian Exodus makes something happen soon I would love to live somewhere where we don't have to worry about the disgusting and immoral things the U.S does.
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Old 03-16-2010, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Can you tell one example of Christians doing such thing recently?
Can you give me an example of a predominately Christian nation not pillaging in the name of the almighty?
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Old 03-16-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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Oh Please, Afghanis and Iraqis now are safe and secure with their gift of freedom from us.

Is that what the media told u or do u know Iraqis over there?
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Old 03-16-2010, 03:29 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Well, but in the new union there would be the same Americans that formed the old union, the same people with the same extreme and contradicting opinions and goals. I don't think the result would be any better. You might solve some problems such as the debt in the short run, but create bigger ones in the long run. For instance you would lose the trust of the international community, which could devastate your economy. For instance, if the US ceased to exist, all the copyrights and patents based on US law would be lost...
The problems we have are the result of people trying to use the federal government to force their wishes on the rest of the country. If we had maintained a limited federal government and states' rights, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. What needs to be changed is the interstate commerce clause, primarily, and a more forceful version of the 9th and 10th amendments.
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Old 03-16-2010, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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The problems we have are the result of people trying to use the federal government to force their wishes on the rest of the country. If we had maintained a limited federal government and states' rights, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. What needs to be changed is the interstate commerce clause, primarily, and a more forceful version of the 9th and 10th amendments.
We flushed States Rights down the toilet of History with the Civil War, you are an American or you are not.
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Old 03-16-2010, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I doubt today's military will, by and large, follow leftists' and their orders to kill like that. In case you haven't noticed, the military is fairly conservative and doesn't particularly like Obama nor did it like clinton too much either.

Furthermore, from a person who has complained about the costs (incl. in lives) of the Iraq war, we're getting calls for someone worse than Sherman to go against fellow Americans? Interesting...but I doubt the war hawks like yourself would have the courage to actually go into a battle like that. It's easy for statists to be keyboard commanders.
I'm not sure what military you are talking about. I live at Ft Huachuca and travel to bases regularly. The retirees may be conservative but the troops are not. If you take up arms against America you are no longer an American and there is nothing left to discuss because you have , by that act, divorced yourself from us.

Reminds me of an ex girlfriend who would spend hours explaining why she wasn't talking to me. States Rights died in 1865

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Old 03-16-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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Default Exodus

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