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Old 03-21-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Find a Doctor that accepts cash and you've saved even more since they can charge more realistic (lower) prices since they do not have to file mountains of paperwork so they don't need that extra staff just to handle claims.

It's a racket. And if enough people, including doctors, just stand up and say "No more" you'll see the changes you all have been wanting.
But that won't happen any time soon with fear driven apathetic Americans.
Which brings up an interesting idea--'black market health care.' Do you think there will come a time when some doctors may just go 'underground' and offer care for cash only? I know there are doctors right now who only work with cash on the barrel head. They don't accept insurance, medicare, or medicaid. Cash payment for services rendered only. Will that even be legal if this bill is inflicted upon us?
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Which brings up an interesting idea--'black market health care.' Do you think there will come a time when some doctors may just go 'underground' and offer care for unrecorded cash only? I know there are doctors right now who only work with cash on the barrel head. They don't accept insurance, medicare, or medicaid. Cash payment for services rendered only. Will that even be legal if this bill is inflicted upon us?
There are doctors today that accept cash. I took my son to one when I had to get him some shots for school and his regular doctor was 6 months backed up with appts and they wouldn't take him because it was not an emergency. I don't think it was unrecorded..just cash payment vs insurance processing. Cash payment is totally legal.

The "cash" doctor was not overbooked, only had 1 nurse and was a much more relaxed atmosphere. Didn't feel like I was part of a cattle call..in and out to get those numbers in.

I have several friends that have went the cash route and just got a name from them. Once you know someone then the network opens up to you
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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I agree. But, that's not what people who want this bill to pass want. They want health care that they think someone else is going to pay for, hence HC475's line of thinking on display in this thread.
Since when has somebody not paid for your Health Insurance... Would you ever take a job that didn't provide benefits and Health Insurance?
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:44 AM
 
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If you're working... you won't have to pay for it... your employer will.
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HA HA HA HA HA!!!



Who got you to believe that?
The Health Care Bill...
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:57 AM
 
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The vast majority of job created is small business. Under this bill tehy will want to keep job numbers down so has not to have to wither pay the mandatory fine or the tax. Many will chnage the way tehy operate IMO and not hire. They will have more tempoary and contract labor.
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Exactly... this bill provides the financial incentive for businesses to do so. I've been saying repeatedly that what this bill does is SHIFT the cost of health insurance away from employers and onto working individuals and families to the tune of ~15-20% of their annual income.

Cough it up, suckers!

...or they could always just pay the fine, go WITHOUT insurance, and have NO medical care coverage for those random emergencies that crop up unexpectedly... broken bones, rapid onset illness, etc.
That's the dilemna IT workers have... Employers have been using IT staffing companies and contract labor so they won't have to provide Health Insurance to their IT departments... With the National public option there will be more choices.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Since when has somebody not paid for your Health Insurance... Would you ever take a job that didn't provide benefits and Health Insurance?
I have always paid for my own coverage, with the exception of one job where they paid a large percent of the premium.

Just like I've always paid for my own car insurance, property insurance, life insurance, renter's insurance......

Are these entities next on your hero's agenda?
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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I have always paid for my own coverage, with the exception of one job where they paid a large percent of the premium.

Just like I've always paid for my own car insurance, property insurance, life insurance, renter's insurance......

Are these entities next on your hero's agenda?
So don't you want your Health Insurance rates to go down?
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So don't you want your Health Insurance rates to go down?
As an individual, yes.

But, like I said, as an employer that doesn't provide coverage, mandating me to do so does NOT lower my cost





sigh.....
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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it wont lower rates


SHOW ME one thing...JUST ONE THING in the bill that will make rates go down.....show me ONE THING that will make health CARE cost go down........


you cant...because it wont
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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As an individual, yes.

But, like I said, as an employer that doesn't provide coverage, mandating me to do so does NOT lower my cost





sigh.....
If you have more than 50 employees it shouldn't make a difference.
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