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Old 03-14-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Yes, with the cost shifted away from employers and onto the insured as employers will find it cheaper to dump their insurance plans and pay the fines instead of providing employer-subsidized insurance for their employees.

Look at the charts on page 29 of this document to see how much health insurance will cost you. Find your approximate income level, and pay particular attention to the total cost and what percentage of your annual income that will be, as indicated in the last column:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc...0-Premiums.pdf
Thanks for posting the chart,it proves that this bill does nothing to make HC more affordable.And even with the subsidy there will still be people after paying all their taxes,SSI and medicare that will be priced out of the market.If I do not find a full time employer who has a HC plan I will be stuck paying the $750 fine.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:44 AM
 
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Once it passes companies will have more resources for hiring new employees.
How do you know? No one, not even our politicians, know what is in this bill yet. It is being drafted behind closed doors with no transparency.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Once it passes companies will have more resources for hiring new employees.
Just where is the government going to obtain those resources to run a national health care system? Its called taxes, and they will go up, and employers will be paying the lion's share of them, unless you think this will all be free.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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Okay... correction: government subsidized anything is not free market.

Are you saying that none of the insurance purchased through the insurance exchange will be government subsidized?
No, of course not. Go back through our post-exchange, you maybe got confused. (sounds like a song lyric )
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Once it passes companies will have more resources for hiring new employees.
By mandating that a small business owner carries coverage for their employees?
Which creates an added expense to the company.....??????
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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By mandating that a small business owner carries coverage for their employees?
Which creates an added expense to the company.....??????
you'd rather millions of uninsured employees contribute to raising your taxes and your medical bills?
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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you'd rather millions of uninsured employees contribute to raising your taxes and your medical bills?
Either scenario isn't creating jobs
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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you'd rather millions of uninsured employees contribute to raising your taxes and your medical bills?

Another false arguement based upon faulty assumptions.

Just because an employer doesn't provide insurance doesn't mean that an employee is "un-insured".

Just because a person does not purchase a product, in this case health insurance, does not mean they fail to pay their health bills out of pocket, through cultural community co-ops, etc....

Just because the government forces the purchase of a product, again health insurance, it doesn't mean that taxes and medical bill will be lower. In fact, we can expect taxes to be higher, care to be rationed, medical devices to be additionally taxed, etc... .

Higher taxes, further government regulations and burdens upon business, historically have a negative effect on employment and commerce in general.

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Old 03-14-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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Another faulty assumption. Just because an employer doesn't provide insurance doesn't mean that employee is "un-insured".

Just because a person does not purchase a product, in this case health insurance, does not mean they fail to pay their health bills out of pocket, through cultural community co-ops, etc....

Id love to see the stats for that, got em there right handy?

Im putting my chips on, most people who work for companies that dont offer insurance or whose plans are too expensive for those employees to afford rely on the emergency room and whatever fed or state-funded care assistance.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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....and after all this, who is going to step in and force doctors to take medicare, medicaid & Tri-care as final payment and not charge those that have insurance, to make up for the loss.
Who is going to force doctors to take the entitlements as payment now?
Only federally funded hospitals will be forced to treat them, or loose their funding. When the federal funds don't pay the bills, then what?
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