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Old 03-14-2010, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Personally, I don't know - or care - whether it is politically correct for a U.S. President to criticize the Supreme Court during the State of the Union speech, but does anyone think that President Obama was the first to do so?
And let me add here: So many of our greatest statesmen have reminded us that spiritual values alone are essential to our nation's health and vigor. The Congress opens its proceedings each day, as does the Supreme Court, with an acknowledgment of the Supreme Being. Yet we are denied the right to set aside in our schools a moment each day for those who wish to pray. I believe Congress should pass our school prayer amendment.
That would be President Reagan, January 25, 1988, reacting to a Supreme Court ruling on school prayer with which he did not agree.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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Personally, I don't know - or care - whether it is politically correct for a U.S. President to criticize the Supreme Court during the State of the Union speech, but does anyone think that President Obama was the first to do so?
And let me add here: So many of our greatest statesmen have reminded us that spiritual values alone are essential to our nation's health and vigor. The Congress opens its proceedings each day, as does the Supreme Court, with an acknowledgment of the Supreme Being. Yet we are denied the right to set aside in our schools a moment each day for those who wish to pray. I believe Congress should pass our school prayer amendment.
That would be President Reagan, January 25, 1988, reacting to a Supreme Court ruling on school prayer with which he did not agree.
Congress and the Supreme Court are above the law.

So . . you are arguing school students, too, are above the law?
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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Of course not. It was not classy at all but it was, unfortunately, true.
Don't make me ask for the "lie". You won't be able to show anything.

Illegal immigrants are specifically exempt from federal tax $$ on health care in the HC legislation. When Mr. Obama mentioned that fact, Mr Wilson hollered his absurdity. You would counter that?
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:01 PM
 
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pommysmommy, (with nothing better to do today than stoke the fires of FAUX OUTRAGE) wrote;
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Obama exhibited such a lack of class and decorum at the State of the Union that it was disgraceful. The puppet needs to get puppeteers who understand protocol.
Ah, yes, I remember well how you and the rest of the CLUELESS RIGHT WING POSTERS were up in arms when Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr. took the SC to task during their SOTU speeches.

It reminds me of the COMPLETELY FAUX OUTRAGE you exhibit about Obama and spending when you were COMPLETELY MUTE regarding the MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION GIVEAWAY (late night voting, not available to be read by those voting) the UNFUNDED WARS IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.

Oh, right, you do complain about those NOW and try to tell us that they were all DEMOCRATIC PROPOSALS.

Another phony right wing poster starting another phoney right wing thread.

I'm sure I'll get another yellow card for this post. Meh.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:07 PM
 
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Then I guess a childish, immature outburst of "you lie" within the halls of the same congress is classy . . . ?

A liar will be known as a liar.

To call them by any other name would be untruthful.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:07 PM
 
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Don't make me ask for the "lie". You won't be able to show anything.

Illegal immigrants are specifically exempt from federal tax $$ on health care in the HC legislation. When Mr. Obama mentioned that fact, Mr Wilson hollered his absurdity. You would counter that?
I wouldn't address that at all on this thread because it is off topic.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:11 PM
 
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Don't make me ask for the "lie". You won't be able to show anything.

Illegal immigrants are specifically exempt from federal tax $$ on health care in the HC legislation. When Mr. Obama mentioned that fact, Mr Wilson hollered his absurdity. You would counter that?
I doubt you would respond if it was shown evident. Your position is known by many. We see you, we know you, we can establish your favoring without deliberation. So what merit would it bring in presenting evidence to that which can not see past its own lies?

I will answer. There is no reason to such. You are bought, sold, and paid for dear sir and no amount of discussion or revelation of truth will change such.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Obama exhibited such a lack of class and decorum at the State of the Union that it was disgraceful. The puppet needs to get puppeteers who understand protocol.
That was absolutely no different that Bush or Reagan talking about activist judges...Obama was not the first and for sure not the last to blast judges and the SCOTUS or it's political PR firm arms.

The lack of perspective and the whining that is going along with it...that is disgraceful.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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Did Bush do that during a State of the Union address? The answer is no. You lack perspective.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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"When asked about this Tuesday, Roberts said the criticism itself did not bother him. “Anybody can criticize the Supreme Court... I have no problem with that,” he said. He objected to criticism in such a public setting, where the justices had no choice but to sit silently."
I thought the whole thing was VERY uncomfortable. I remember seeing it and not reacting to what Obama said to them, but reacting to the Justices having to sit there as the entire row behind them and on both sides stood up and cheered. Imagine if Obama said during his speech, "and we are going to pull out of Iraq now because I disagree with what the US military is doing over there" and the entire row behind the Joint Chiefs of Staff stood up and cheered.

The State of the Union is just one giant pep rally. I don't care who's in office...it's always the same thing and adds nothing but time as one side or the other stands up and congratulates themselves. I don't think the Supreme Court and the Joint Chiefs of Staff need to sit through it and be held to a sense of decorum that Congress doesn't observe.

I am a registered Independent and don't have any "history" of voting for one party over the other.

I do know, however, that politics in America is cyclical and there will come a time when the Republicans are in power the same way that the Democrats are now. When a President decides to do something nearly unprecedented like admonish the Supreme Court during a state of the union address, it's only shocking once. Then it becomes acceptable.

The people who are cheering because it was Obama who did it won't be cheering when the next Republican president does it. It would be nice for someone (I don't care which party it is) to hold themselves to a higher standard instead of always resorting to the "well, the Republicans/Democrats did it first."
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