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Old 03-15-2010, 10:28 AM
 
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Here is a good analysis of why EFCA is going to effectively end secret ballots.

Employee Free Choice Act Effectively Eliminates Secret Ballot Organizing Elections | The Heritage Foundation
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I hate my senators are against the Employee Free Choice Act. They're just pawns of Wal-Mart.
So you don't want workers to be able to cast a vote in secret?

Do you realize the intimidation, bully and thuggish tactics union bosses can use then?

There are examples of workers, when filling out a survey saying they'd like to unionize, the result IS DIFFERENT than when those same workers go behind the curtain to cast their vote, they say the complete opposite.

They KNOW if they don't "agree" in public, they are in for intimidation, bully tactics.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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First of all the Heritage Foundation is a RW propoganda machine without any truth in their rantings.

What we need is Federal legislation preventing any State from competing unfairly with any other State by enacting "Right to Work for PENNIES" legislation.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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First of all the Heritage Foundation is a RW propoganda machine without any truth in their rantings.

What we need is Federal legislation preventing any State from competing unfairly with any other State by enacting "Right to Work for PENNIES" legislation.
I'm not a fan of the Heritage Foundation, but I've read the Act, and their analysis is truthful. The Act overwhelmingly favors card-check. You cannot have read the Act, and then say that this is a lie. The Act removes secret ballot elections as an option for the employer. That is not a lie. The Union will keep track of who has signed the cards, and more importantly, who has not. And since the pressure is on the union to get more than 50% of the employees to sign, that pressure will be turned on to employees who have not signed the card-check. That is not a lie.

When would secret ballot elections be held? Only when 30% of the employees organized together to call for them. The unions will actively discourage such organization, card-checks are better. The employer will not be allowed to organize the employees. And so when would secret ballot elections be held? Answer: they wouldn't be.

And that's the thrust of this legislation. That is not a lie.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:39 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Why do people still think unions serve the same purpose they did 100 years ago?!


Because there are still some greedy bastid employers around as there were 100 years ago.
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I'm not a fan of the Heritage Foundation, but I've read the Act, and their analysis is truthful. The Act overwhelmingly favors card-check. You cannot have read the Act, and then say that this is a lie. The Act removes secret ballot elections as an option for the employer. That is not a lie. The Union will keep track of who has signed the cards, and more importantly, who has not. And since the pressure is on the union to get more than 50% of the employees to sign, that pressure will be turned on to employees who have not signed the card-check. That is not a lie.

When would secret ballot elections be held? Only when 30% of the employees organized together to call for them. The unions will actively discourage such organization, card-checks are better. The employer will not be allowed to organize the employees. And so when would secret ballot elections be held? Answer: they wouldn't be.

And that's the thrust of this legislation. That is not a lie.
No it is still a lie, the Legislation still provides for secret ballots, all you are doing is quoting more opinions from people with vested interests and saying they are facts. The employees can choose a secret ballot, that's a FACT.
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:23 PM
 
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No it is still a lie, the Legislation still provides for secret ballots, all you are doing is quoting more opinions from people with vested interests and saying they are facts. The employees can choose a secret ballot, that's a FACT.
How do the employees choose a secret ballot?

How do they even know they have that option?

Who's going to tell them? Who's going to help them organize for a secret ballot?

Not the unions.

Unions don't want the secret ballot elections. They want to go straight from card-check to unionization. THAT'S A FACT.
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Old 03-15-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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As we have International Business that can move money and production around the world for control and profit we need the revive the International Workers of the World to restore balance between the owners and the producers of the world's wealth.

One world, One UNION. Solidarity! Solidarnosh!
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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Kinda hard to pay for health care on $1.25 an hour. They all preach about paying for health care ourselves but if we're getting paid such low wages it's really hard to do that.
Nobody is making $1.25 per hour, unless they are here illegally. Most of the country wants the companies supporting illegal labor at slave wages shut down, both conservatives and liberals.

Paying for healthcare on minimum wage would likely be impossible. But that doesn't make the current healthcare bill the answer for the health care issues in this country. People should not make minimum wage their whole life. Minimum wage is usually paid to people who have almost no skills and can easily be replaced. The simple solution to this is for a worker to learn skills, become more important, and they will be paid more accordingly. I made minimum wage in high school, and even though I worked pretty hard at fast food places, the job was easy. Busy with high stress levels at times? Sure. But worth a lot of money? No. I moved on and learned new skills and have steadily increased my income as I have aged and acquired knowledge and skill.

Where is the incentive for people to become better workers that are more productive if the government forces employers to pay more and more money regardless of skill level? And when minimum wage goes up, the extra cost just get passed on to consumers, which causes the new minimum wage to not be enough requiring GUESS WHAT???? ANOTHER minimum wage increase. And it just keeps going and going, never solving anything.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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As we have International Business that can move money and production around the world for control and profit we need the revive the International Workers of the World to restore balance between the owners and the producers of the world's wealth.

One world, One UNION. Solidarity! Solidarnosh!
Fortunately, more people oppose communism than those who support it. No "One Union" coming anytime soon. Thankfully.
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