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Old 03-15-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Padcrasher is ignoring the important differences between then and now.

When its happened in the past, they was in regards to budget issues, which the healthcare bill is not. Comparing then to now, and then claiming they are the same is either nieve, or just an outright lie.
COBRA, SCHIP.....


Not to mention the entire bill is not being pushed through with Reconciliation to the bill. The fixes to the Senate Bill is what is going to go through Reconciliation, and the particular fixes that will are tied to budget outlays.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Astounded at the Obama/Emanuel thug machine, no. Astounded that their seems to be a significant percentage of posters on CD find this wholly acceptable, yes. I fear for my country and its future. The future generations appear to be ready to extinguish the flame of liberty post haste.

Agreed. These so called "liberals" embrace fascism and tolerate the corrupt process, only because they feel they are accomplishing the goals of thier "team". They are blinded by what they beleive to be the ultimate goals of thier party- greater governmental control over individuals and private industry- but have not accounted for the damage that such pursuits will cause. This cannot end well for anyone, yet we are the ones that will be attemtpting to clean up and pay for this mess after 2012.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:43 PM
 
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Agreed. These so called "liberals" embrace fascism and tolerate the corrupt process, only because they feel they are accomplishing the goals of thier "team". They are blinded by what they beleive to be the ultimate goals of thier party- greater governmental control over individuals and private industry- but have not accounted for the damage that such pursuits will cause. This cannot end well for anyone, yet we are the ones that will be attemtpting to clean up and pay for this mess after 2012.
Well said.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Partisanship Is An Intellectual/Emotional Handicap
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No apologies, no respect for the will of the people, no shame about making back door deals to bribe a vote. This is change I can't believe in.
You mean just like Bush Jr did? And his daddy before him, did?

Yes, very appalling. Oh, and astounding
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:13 PM
 
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Not really, Iraq posed no imminent threat even when the Bush administration started planning its invasion, long before 9/11. What didn't change on 9/11 was their priorities, they chose to keep Iraq squarely in their sights even though Iraq was clearly not the perpetrator of those attacks.




The Bush adminstration hung an unpopular war around its own neck. The war was authorized by Congress, NOT mandated. The war was sold with a sales pitch based on half truths and possibly, maybe, could be, sold on the emotions of the time and not fact. Watch the PBS documentary Bush's War, until it is refuted with facts, and I've seen nothing yet, it will remain Bush's war.

Congress gave them the gun, the Bush regime pulled the trigger and owns the results.
Wow, change the word "war" with "healthcare", and you have the current situation.

History will judge these tactics, too.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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And you do any better?
Perhaps you should reread some of your posts.

Every president does business the same way.
Funny how your outrage started on 20 Jan 2009 when a black, centrist man became president.

History did not start on that date.
Ah yes, the race card. When facts fail, resort to smear tactics and name calling. Saul would be proud.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Obama is NOT black. His momma is white as white can get.

Centrist, he doesn't even now where the center is, he just scammed you into thinking he did.

History did start on that date, its the date of the biggest mistake in American political history that we need to fix.

His performance or lack of performance is proof. His failures and poor decisions are proof.
LOL at saying Obama is not Black, Is that your way of trying to deflect your hate for him based on his skin color. Obama is Black whether you want to like it or not, of course since he's the president he could never be black, but if he broke into your house the first thing you would say is "BLACK GUY IN MY HOUSE"
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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And you do any better?
Perhaps you should reread some of your posts.

Every president does business the same way.
Funny how your outrage started on 20 Jan 2009 when a black, centrist man became president.

History did not start on that date.

A black centrist man would be Colin Powell. Obama is a far left radical. I think we are at a point in history where we can ignore race factors and focus, as Martin Luther King suggested, to focus on "the content of character". Obama's "content of character" is rotten to the core and is based in radical socialist politics. It is foolish and dangerous to suggest that the nation accept dangerous and damaging political agendas, simply becuase they are coming from a black man. Most people with an ounce of sense left are not fearful of being labeled a "racist", simply for questioning radical agendas that happen to be promoted by a black man. Likewise, I do not fear opposing the agenda of Louis Farakan, which is equally as disturbing.

I suppose, since it was suggested by a black man, that we silently accept "cap and trade", nationalizing of the banks and auto industry, granting citizenship to all illegals, and creating a debt that will be ruinous to the nation? All these issues are advocated by a black man. In addition, that black man suggested the creation of a new "civilian army" in the US. At what point would you object to any of Obama's initiatives, if any? Or, as a liberal, are you so terrified of being labeled the worst thing possible (a racist) that you are compelled to simply sit back and take orders from your new master? I am afraid that the founding fathers would be turning in their graves to see the blind obedience given to such radical agendas without the benefit of what all free men would encourage and embrace- open debate and questioning of policy from the federal government. The sad state of affairs is that the liberals cannot see how intolerant and militant they have become in thier quest to propagate a socialist agenda in the US. All of us, liberals included, will suffer from these policies and no one will be left unaffected.
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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A black centrist man would be Colin Powell. Obama is a far left radical. I think we are at a point in history where we can ignore race factors and focus, as Martin Luther King suggested, to focus on "the content of character". Obama's "content of character" is rotten to the core and is based in radical socialist politics. It is foolish and dangerous to suggest that the nation accept dangerous and damaging political agendas, simply becuase they are coming from a black man. Most people with an ounce of sense left are not fearful of being labeled a "racist", simply for opposing radical agendas that happen to be promoted by a black man. Likewise, I do not fear opposing the agenda of Louis Farakan, which is equally as disturbing.
Powell Supports Obama so.....As for Obama being a socialist, that's utterly ridiculous, why is the fear of socialism so great for so many on here? Where is this paranoia coming from? You act like there is a plan to put everybody in some form of prison. The truth is 8 years will come and go and your life will not be impacted. But if you enjoy having high blood pressure and being paranoid. Enjoy.
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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We have a Constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense. No war is ever popular after the first two years, but they, unlike a government takeover of health care, are necessary.

Just look at what these blood thirsty, war mongering Democrats had to say on the subject.


YouTube - Democrats before Iraq War started....

No arm twisting going on here.
Invading/occupying a country that's done nothing to you and poses no imminent threat to you is by no stretch of the imagination 'defense'. Especially when recent events have created no doubt as to where the real threat lies.
Where does that real threat lie? Because all that baby-killer Obama has done is bomb peasants in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and all over the middle east. He's Bush on steroids. What did these children ever do to you?

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