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[quote=subsound;13299646 If you can seriously look at your friends, and their kin, and vote for things that benefit them over your own respectability or hire some idiot spawn over a qualified candidate...you won't last long in many places.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by GregW
On the contrary you will do quite well in industry and finance. Managment of these sectors is almost entirely based on club affiliation or nepotism.
In government the only oath that would be taken is to the constitution if you feel a person in government is not tkae that oath seriously then its time for a change. Problem is most Americans dont know what is in the constiution some even think it's to "provide" you freedom at the expense of others. Those in secret will do the opposition of the constiution will spend your treasure and blood at the expense of your liberty. In a free and open society the word [SIZE=2]secrecy should never be needed. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Problem is government is powerful, corrupt, tells you what the truth is, and uses Secrets in most cases to cover up the actions that ignore the constitution in the first place. [/SIZE]
I think anyone who thinks this does not play a part in our society is living in a dream world or else they have been put here to say just that. It would be impossible to have a government without these allegencies since most (I assume) come from colleges and universities with their own societies.
If you swear loyalty to the state/people/country AND to your brotherhood, who wins? The brotherhood I suspect because it is closer to home, and more "in your face" than the country and state which is more nebulous.
If that assumption is true, then the only people who will truly get on in business and government will be those whose 'brothers' are also members of the same organisation.
There are also more pressing reasons why you should NOT break the brotherhood rather than why you should not break the countries rules - particularly if you find that some of the top police officers, lawyers and judges are members of your brotherhood too. They will see that you are OK.....
Since I am not in one of these secret societies I dont know what terrible punishments they are supposed to exact if you break the rules, but I am sure there are people on here who can tell me what kind of thing some of them threaten.
Do you think that there are conflicting loyalty issues when someone in government also belongs to a 'secret society' such as the Freemasons, Skull & Bones etc etc?
There are many, many of the world top politicians and royalty who are members of these societies and they have sworn to help their 'brothers' where they can. Doesn't this put the rest of us at a disadvantage and could also put our lives in danger too.
Please try to keep domestic politics out of this discussion as we all know that what applies globally, also applies domestically. Whether you are a President hater or a President lover, really doesn't matter in this case.
The only mention of a Freemason's relationship with government is to be a quiet and peaceable subject, true to his government and loyal to his country, not to countenance disloyalty or rebellion but submit to legal authority and conform to the government of the country in which he lives.
--Nothing more serious than that, anywhere. So the country of residence would determine a Freemason's political alliances. If he had a problem with a country's politics then he would need to consider moving to a country with which he had sympathies.
The swearing to help their 'brothers' where they can is entirely within lawful actions. There should be nothing a Freemason would do that might endanger the life of another countryman or any person.
In today's environment a Freemason would be supportive of the Constitution. Should the government collapse then he would be supportive of the prevailing rule of law.
And it is considered NOT at ALL cool to use Freemasonry for personal or business gain.
But the premise was... sworn to help their 'brothers' where they can. Didn't say anything about trouble, which might depend on the nature of the trouble.
And as far as the secrets go, there really are none belonging to the fraternity itself. So yes, you probly know more than you might think. Sorry to disappoint.
It is well-known that all these "secret societies" boys clubs have knowledge that is not shared with the general public or with lower grades of the same club. Just keep saying that there are no secrets and some people will believe that, but what is the point of a society like these if you have no 'specials' that hold you all together and stop you all from drifting apart. It is rather like a religion in some respects as they have things designed for this too. I guess you are the 'publicity officer' then? :-)
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