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Old 03-15-2010, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Don't they fingerprint people upon arrest in most cases? I don't see a problem with pulling DNA. I really don't see the big deal.
I agree with you. DNA is the newer, improved version of fingerprints.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:09 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Do some of you realize that traffic tickets can get you a criminal record there for do they get your dna also

What happened to freedom and privacy?

What happened to civil liberties? How come some of you are so willing to give yours up?
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Riverside, CA
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Do some of you realize that traffic tickets can get you a criminal record there for do they get your dna also

What happened to freedom and privacy?

What happened to civil liberties? How come some of you are so willing to give yours up?
I don't see how it is going to change my daily life, whether they have my DNA or not. They will stick it in a database with millions of other people.

They took my picture when I got a driver's license. It didn't worry me, it didn't change my life for the worse. Again, no big deal.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Say-Town! Texas
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It won't change your daily life but do you trust this government so much that you will allow them to track you where ever you go?

i understand the absurdity of freaking out at the innocent idea that collecting dna will put you in shackles.

But! when you see people freak out it is because they read the bible, saw the "mark of the beast" and are prepared to fight anything that leads to that point.

The current government, Bush administration included (Read: patriot act) have not set limitations on the intrusiveness in peoples lives. the people objecting to this "recording and cataloging of criminals" see the potential future of EVERYBODY being required to do it.

how many of you trust that the government, local and federal, is actually going to keep your dna in a proper place and not use it for "other safety reasons" esspecially if these state governments are keeping tax returns?!

i take my government with a large grain of skepticism
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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If this is indeed the president's stance, I'm completely and absolutely against him in this.
Gee, what a unique position.

If he was against you would be for it?

Problem with you all is that it's been policy for state and federal law enforcement for years! Now it's an issue - ALL OF A SUDDEN?

No bias here.

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Old 03-15-2010, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Gee, what a unique position.

If he was against you would be for it?

Problem with you all is that it's been policy for state and federal law enforcement for years! Now it's an issue - ALL OF A SUDDEN?

No bias here.

Oh, give it up, old man. Do you really think that everybody that posts on C-D posts every single position on every single issue, and that you've read every single one of those posts? Get over yourself, and your unbelievably partisan BS stance.

California did this years ago, and I was against it then. The feds doing it is just another example of the californification of the country - something I see as a very, very bad thing.

It doesn't matter who is in the white house, or what letter is next to their name - this is a BAD IDEA.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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It doesn't matter who is in the white house, or what letter is next to their name - this is a BAD IDEA.
Until somebody you know is vindicated by a stored DNA profile or you're involved, somehow, in having a stored DNA profile solve a problem. Then the attitude changes.

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Old 03-15-2010, 09:45 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Until somebody you know is vindicated by a stored DNA profile or you're involved, somehow, in having a stored DNA profile solve a problem. Then the attitude changes.



I can see your point. But how many of us are going to be vindicated by a stored DNA profile, but i guess if someone we knew a friend or a relative was, then of course the attitude would change.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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I can see your point. But how many of us are going to be vindicated by a stored DNA profile, but i guess if someone we knew a friend or a relative was, then of course the attitude would change.
How many would it take?

Fact is, there are numerous stories out there of people being caught after years of the crime and there are people being vindicated after years in prison from samples taken from a minor crime. Doesn't happen every day but it does happen.

True TV has stories every once in a while. Prolly get some good poop from The Innocence Project.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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Oh, give it up, old man. Do you really think that everybody that posts on C-D posts every single position on every single issue, and that you've read every single one of those posts? Get over yourself, and your unbelievably partisan BS stance.

California did this years ago, and I was against it then. The feds doing it is just another example of the californification of the country - something I see as a very, very bad thing.

It doesn't matter who is in the white house, or what letter is next to their name - this is a BAD IDEA.
It does appear to be yet another federal intrusion into what is/should remain up to the individual states.

Let's take this one step further. Let's say the government is successful in nationalizing "health care". Next the feds have your DNA on file. We know there will be health care rationing because it has happened in every other country that has nationalized their health system. By having your DNA on file, the feds will be able to preemtively place people in categories where they will either be allowed to obtain treatment, or not, based on their genetic history. The information and power is taken away from you, your physician to determine your course of any treatment.

"Donating" is a voluntary action. How many government policies begin under the guise of being voluntary and progress (pesky word) into federal mandates with criminal charges/fines against those who fail/refuse to comply? Plenty.
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