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I wonder who is the idiot. You, who it appears, does not have 6th grade reading comprehension or I who put my opinions out in plain English. I said we can afford everything and nothing at the same time. I get that some of us think we are broke but, as I said. In 2008 56 million households entered the ranks of the 1%. Possibly the worst year on record for a lot of things financial. In other words, not everyone is broke.
Point to me where I said that everyone in our country was broke? I said our country was broke. It appears that your reading comprehension is the one in question, not mine, thankyouverymuch.
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There are by some estimates 10 Trillion in that 1%. This is a significant fraction of the planets wealth let alone the country's wealth.
Okay, back to my original assertion that even if you taxed all those uberwealthy at 100%, we STILL don't have the money to fund everything on this planet. Get it? There is a limited supply of money, even including the public's wealth. If you feel the need to continue to argue this stupid point, back it up with some statistic.
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If we let our country devolve into Anarchy and Civil War and allow the 1% to flee the melee and settle comfortably into foreign encoddlement then it is and will be persons like yourself that are the idiots for letting them get away with it.
What on god's green earth are you talking about? Who said anything about anarchy or the wealthy people fleeing this country?
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And, btw, since we are talking about welfare, the total welfare roll in the entire country is about 1% of the population. The amount that 1/4 of that represents is so small in national budgetary comparisons as to be negligible.
Yeah, every drop of blood is negligible until those drops start adding up to pints, right?
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Our country faces real consequences related to national debt and lack of proper income distribution. These issues are stolidly ignored by the right who instead prefer to pick fights over hot button issues of higher visibility. I suppose I am an idiot for seeing thgough the shot clock timeout ploy.
And there you have it folks. Someone who wants income redistribution. A little envious of those who have more than you, are we? There's a term for that... class warfare. God Forbid anyone work hard and amass any amount of wealth.
HOW!? The 2 states my family has gotten help from the state in both have required SS cards for every person getting the help,BC for every person,DL for any adults. How in the world could they get it I mean if you are here illegally for 1. the bc would say you were born in a different country and 2. You can not get a SS card if you are illegall. Seems to me people in these areas are not doing their jobs correctly.
The babies get the SS card. If they are born here they are legal even if the parents aren't. As citizens the babies are entitle to the social programs the US has to offer. Totally legal according to our laws.
I wonder who is the idiot. You, who it appears, does not have 6th grade reading comprehension or I who put my opinions out in plain English. I said we can afford everything and nothing at the same time. I get that some of us think we are broke but, as I said. In 2008 56 million households entered the ranks of the 1%. Possibly the worst year on record for a lot of things financial. In other words, not everyone is broke. There are by some estimates 10 Trillion in that 1%. This is a significant fraction of the planets wealth let alone the country's wealth. If we let our country devolve into Anarchy and Civil War and allow the 1% to flee the melee and settle comfortably into foreign encoddlement then it is and will be persons like yourself that are the idiots for letting them get away with it. And, btw, since we are talking about welfare, the total welfare roll in the entire country is about 1% of the population. The amount that 1/4 of that represents is so small in national budgetary comparisons as to be negligible. Our country faces real consequences related to national debt and lack of proper income distribution. These issues are stolidly ignored by the right who instead prefer to pick fights over hot button issues of higher visibility. I suppose I am an idiot for seeing thgough the shot clock timeout ploy.
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from the government:
In 2008, over 50 million Americans will receive nearly $614 billion in Social Security benefits.
The total cost of all federal assistance programs -- including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and various welfare programs -- ACCOUNTS FOR NEARLY ONE HALF OF ALL MONEY SPENT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. That is a doubling of the percentage that obtained it in the 1960s.
you can be sure that number has gone up since 2008.
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Report: One-fourth of welfare payments go to illegals
From wire service reports
Posted: 03/10/2010 07:08:55 AM PST
Nearly one-quarter of state welfare payments and food stamps issued in Los Angeles County go to children whose parents are in the U.S. illegally, according to January figures released today. Supervisor Mike Antonovich offered the statistics, generated by the county's Department of Public Social Services, to help make the case for enforcing the nation's borders, establishing health care clinics on the border with Mexico and reimbursing local governments for unfunded state and federal mandates, according to his press deputy, Tony Bell.
(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
Illegals in my state cannot collect welfare, children BORN here can.
I hate nothing more than the bleeding hearts that refuse to educate themselves on the cost of illegal immigration to this country. Schools, neighborhoods, social services, loss of tax revenue, lower wages and on and on and on.
Most illegals do not pay taxes because they work for cash, claim so many dependents they are exempt while their families collect welfare. It's very easy to do since you cannot trace an illegal and no authorities respect our laws. As we just saw the IRS will send their tugs to collect 4 cents from acitizen but you will never hear of the IRS going after an illegal immigrant worker.
AMERICAN workers spend their money in our economy yet a huge amount of money is sent back home with illegal immigrants. Billions, NOT injected into our economy.
Among the countries that receive the most in remittances are Mexico, the Philippines and India. Last year Mexico received more than $17 billion in remittances. The amount of remittances in Mexico exceeds the amount of foreign direct investment in the country. This is not surprising given that a significant portion of Hispanics in the United States are of Mexican descent. Other Latin American countries like El Salvador are popular destinations for remittances. In 2005 approximately $2.5 billion was sent to El Salvador. The amount represented more than 13% of El Salvador’s GDP, or gross domestic product. It is estimated that Latin Americans residing in the United States send $30 billion dollars to their native countries.
Sure illegal immigrants are just people but they are not just people we should have to support with our tax dollars.
Illegals in my state cannot collect welfare, children BORN here can.
And we can be sure none of that money goes to help out their parents, yup, yup.
(sindey just qualified for Dunce of the Year!)
BTW, remind me again, what country's welfare payments (if any) would those children be collecting if their parents HADN'T deliberately, grossly and continuously violated U.S. immigration laws?
The OP was correct. If the illegal aliens hadn't violated our laws, the welfare burden they have saddled us with, would be 23% lower.
And we can be sure none of that money goes to help out their parents, yup, yup.
(sindey just qualified for Dunce of the Year!)
BTW, remind me again, what country's welfare payments (if any) would those children be collecting if their parents HADN'T deliberately, grossly and continuously violated U.S. immigration laws?
The OP was correct. If the illegal aliens hadn't violated our laws, the welfare burden they have saddled us with, would be 23% lower.
It's more than just the welfare burden.
There's a burden on the schools.
There's a burden on the medical industry.
There's a burden on the cities/states for housing/transportation/services.
And the burden to translate and have available bilingual support services.
I've noticed that a lot of leftists precede their socialistic proposals with flat lies about what's going on in the country, so as to justify their government-uber-alles agenda.
I see it's still going on.
...that's why we have nothing to worry about concerning social security...there are plenty of babies coming behind to make up for the cost of the boomers, right? Don't listen to me...I am a "socialist". (And you are not so you won't be using social security on principle.)
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