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I believe that hot texas sun has fried your brain friend. I for one am not a National Socialist and hate being told what to do I am more of a freedom loving person not a totalitarian.
Please, like Nazi Germany was in all actuality a National Socialist government. Labels are sometimes just that, my friend...labels.
You hate being told what to do, but would love to tell people what to do. A freedom loving person, for maybe your own kind, and sheets of the same fabric, but in general are just a dirtbag.
If you want to leave and not be around others not like you so much, gather up your firecamp buddies and take your marsh mellows somewhere else. This hot Texas sun, does indeed do one thing. It boils things down to a simple and direct piece of understanding. There is no time for marginalism, you either get along or get out. You don't stand in the sun w/out proper protection, and you don't **** into the wind. Some life lessons I'm sure for you, so take them as words of wisdom, pass them on to your kind....and vamoose. Go on. Get.
How's that Texas hospitality for ya. Your presence won't be missed in these UNITED States of America.
When, not if we default on the mountain of debt China will pick through the rubble and take whatever they want. Did they really use our public lands as collateral? RP
If the U.S. Constitution based Federal government dissolves, it does not necessarily mean a dissolution of the United States of America.
The Articles of Confederation
To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names, send greeting
Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, did, on the 15th day of November, in the Year of Our Lord One thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America, agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New-hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode-island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, South-Carolina, and Georgia in the words following, viz.
"Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the states of New-hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode-island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, South-Carolina and Georgia".
Article I.The Stile of this confederacy shall be "The United States of America".
Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
Article III. The said states hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defence, the security of their Liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretence whatever.
According to the Articles, the "United States" refers to Congress (aka "Federal government") and the "United States of America" refers to the States united.
A collapse of the United States government would not necessarily dissolve the State governments, nor the perpetual union of the States united. However, it would eradicate the "supremacy" of the oath to the defunct U.S. Constitution, and restore State government sovereignty.
That may or may not be a "good thing".
What do you think?
I can't really vote since any could be possible. I'm getting a bit long in the tooth but since I'm still in very good shape a bit of Anarchy might be fun.
I can't really vote since any could be possible. I'm getting a bit long in the tooth but since I'm still in very good shape a bit of Anarchy might be fun.
LOL...itching to use your class III weapons I see? I guess I need to head back to the range to get some more practice in if it's gonna be anarchy.
I can't really vote since any could be possible. I'm getting a bit long in the tooth but since I'm still in very good shape a bit of Anarchy might be fun.
Anarchy is anathema to the republican form of government, in which the people are sovereign, and are served by the government.
Of course, most Americans left the republican form, joined the democracy, and are subject citizens. But that doesn't change the law on the books.
Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;....
[United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4]
"GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
Powers of sovereignty are in the people, who DIRECTLY exercise them.
Oh!?
Is there more proof?
People are supreme, not the state.
Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 GA at 93.
The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative.
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Ninth Amendment, USCON
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Tenth Amendment, USCON
It would appear that government certainly knows that people are sovereign. However, citizens are subjects.
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Art. 4, Sec. 2, USCON
Note: Citizens have privileges and immunities - granted by government. People have rights and powers - protected by government.
But do not fear, oh sovereign American nationals...
"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from Justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states; ...."
[Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]
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Please, like Nazi Germany was in all actuality a National Socialist government. Labels are sometimes just that, my friend...labels.
You hate being told what to do, but would love to tell people what to do. A freedom loving person, for maybe your own kind, and sheets of the same fabric, but in general are just a dirtbag.
If you want to leave and not be around others not like you so much, gather up your firecamp buddies and take your marsh mellows somewhere else. This hot Texas sun, does indeed do one thing. It boils things down to a simple and direct piece of understanding. There is no time for marginalism, you either get along or get out. You don't stand in the sun w/out proper protection, and you don't **** into the wind. Some life lessons I'm sure for you, so take them as words of wisdom, pass them on to your kind....and vamoose. Go on. Get.
How's that Texas hospitality for ya. Your presence won't be missed in these UNITED States of America.
Wow not to bright are we? Seeing how "nazi" is a shortened version of National Socialist then yeah it was a National Socialist country
The only thing unifying this country is money, so if it collapsed all ideas of a common American identity would go out the window. People's primary loyalty is to their family and then to their self-identified group whether that be race/ethnicity/religion. This country would descend into tribal warfare. I have no doubts that tens of millions south of the border would seize the opportunity to fulfill their intended invasion.
Anarchy is anathema to the republican form of government, in which the people are sovereign, and are served by the government.
Of course, most Americans left the republican form, joined the democracy, and are subject citizens. But that doesn't change the law on the books.
Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;....
[United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4]
"GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
Powers of sovereignty are in the people, who DIRECTLY exercise them.
Oh!?
Is there more proof?
People are supreme, not the state.
Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 GA at 93.
The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative.
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Ninth Amendment, USCON
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Tenth Amendment, USCON
It would appear that government certainly knows that people are sovereign. However, citizens are subjects.
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Art. 4, Sec. 2, USCON
Note: Citizens have privileges and immunities - granted by government. People have rights and powers - protected by government.
But do not fear, oh sovereign American nationals...
"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from Justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states; ...."
[Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]
Golly!
Gee, I was only making a humorous comment regarding possible outcomes of an assumed premise and got a lecture in Poli-Sci 101. Must be my lucky day.
Wow not to bright are we? Seeing how "nazi" is a shortened version of National Socialist then yeah it was a National Socialist country
National Socialism is not socialism. National Socialism is a socially conservative ideology based on the expelling of all people who do not meet an ideal. Socialism is inclusive while National Socialism is extremely exclusive, sort of like the Republican party. A socialist considers nationalism an irrational vestige of the past, it has no place in his/her ideology. I hope you understand the difference now.
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