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More people will die and more people will file bankrupt because of this bill.
Besides that is it unconstitutional to force you to purchase insurance.
Guess the law means nothing to you.
Most bankruptcies are not caused by medical expenses, they are caused by people getting loans they could not afford, people abusing the equity in their homes and loss of jobs. ( THANK OBAMA FOR THAT ONE )
Your lame excuse of all these things do not fly.
What is the REAL reason you like this HC bill?
Do you currently PAY for your OWN HC?
Same talking points as BECK, HANNITY, LIMBO, ETC.
You get your "FACTS" from entertainers?
More people will die and more people will file bankrupt because of this bill.
Besides that is it unconstitutional to force you to purchase insurance.
Guess the law means nothing to you.
Most bankruptcies are not caused by medical expenses, they are caused by people getting loans they could not afford, people abusing the equity in their homes and loss of jobs. ( THANK OBAMA FOR THAT ONE )
Your lame excuse of all these things do not fly.
What is the REAL reason you like this HC bill?
Do you currently PAY for your OWN HC?
I pay a monthly premium for crappy coverage. Dental insurance for a crown, for example, only pays half. They get three thousand from me for any hospitalization. 63% of personal bankruptcies are blamed on medical costs. You are bankrupt of you get hospitalized w/out insurance.
Health insurance companies exist for one thing: Profit. They dont provide you medical care but they WILL deny you coverage. They exist to soak as much money from you as possible, they are profit driven.
The problem is that corporately financed rightwing shills and charlatans have filled you so full of disinformation you are scared of changing the most embarrassing and broken health care system in the industrialized world. Thats why we rank 37th in healthcare, just behind Costa Rica (where I've been and would have no problem with their healthcare if I had to use it.)
Dare I say I'd even like it better than this broken, immoral, profit driven healthcare that causes 40,000 to die prematurely every year
I pay a monthly premium for crappy coverage. Dental insurance for a crown, for example, only pays half. They get three thousand from me for any hospitalization. 63% of personal bankruptcies are blamed on medical costs. You are bankrupt of you get hospitalized w/out insurance.
Health insurance companies exist for one thing: Profit. They dont provide you medical care but they WILL deny you coverage. They exist to soak as much money from you as possible, they are profit driven.
The problem is that corporately financed rightwing shills and charlatans have filled you so full of disinformation you are scared of changing the most embarrassing and broken health care system in the industrialized world. Thats why we rank 37th in healthcare, just behind Costa Rica (where I've been and would have no problem with their healthcare if I had to use it.)
Dare I say I'd even like it better than this broken, immoral, profit driven healthcare that causes 40,000 to die prematurely every year
I defy you to point out one solitary "socialist" item in the healthcare legislation.
One.
Involuntary servitude.
Punishment for failure to obey.
Government sponsored thievery - taking from one and giving to another.
Taking of private property without just compensation... correction, socialists can't own private property (mea culpa).
Other reasons to oppose:
Pay more years of taxes before any benefits arrive (2014).
Unfunded liabilities imposed on the States (who are not able to "print munny")
Probable consequences - abolishes private medical care, due to taxation, restriction, regulation, insufficient remuneration, and inflict rationing, delays, and more suffering.
And let us not forget that this "reform" does nothing to remedy the CAUSE of sky high cost:
GOVERNMENT.
Who else but government created:
[] inflation,
[] malpractice tort abuse,
[] "defensive" medicine,
[] administrative overload (which requires an office staff - at our expense),
[] restriction and regulatory abuse,
[] taxation (which migrates to the retail price for buying care), and
[] bureaucracy costs.
There is no such thing as a free lunch, and no "public option" will lower costs, nor improve health care for the masses, nor reform the industry that government has warped.
And for those who espouse, "No one should suffer because they lack health care...", should preface it with "No one should be compelled to labor for another, so that..."
Slavery is never an acceptable solution to the ills of mankind... even when you call it "democratic socialism".
Last edited by jetgraphics; 03-19-2010 at 02:31 PM..
“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.†-Barack Obama
This quote from Obama is an ominous reminder of what he and the other extreme-left Democrats have as their goal, not just in this weekend's vote to establish socialized medicine, but in more and more votes to come.
America was founded as a country where people could determine their own fate - for better or worse. It was based on the idea that a nation could prosper more, and do better for its people, if they were left to make their own decisions and take responsibility for the results themselves, instead of relying on government to take care of them.
Now we have a President and majority Congress that no longer believes that. Their overiding goal, is to reinstate government control over the people's decisions. The vote for socialized Health Care, is just one of many such votes we can expect, where the Democrats try to take away people's choice of how to run their own lives, and place more and more of the country's activity under the "benevolent" control of government.
Though he said it just before the November elections, this idea has remained a consistent theme thoughout his presidency. The Democrats have tried hard to deny there is any central theme to their actions. But each and every one of their initiatives somehow result in bigger government, more regulations and restrictions, and greater government spending. The facts become clearer and clearer, despite their denials and evasions.
They are, indeed, trying to "fundamentally transform the United States of America". They are trying to change it from a country of individuals who determine their own fate, to a collective where people must conform to the will of a government that has no restrictions on what it can impose on them.
If we don't stop it now, we may never have another chance.
I pay a monthly premium for crappy coverage. Dental insurance for a crown, for example, only pays half. They get three thousand from me for any hospitalization. 63% of personal bankruptcies are blamed on medical costs. You are bankrupt of you get hospitalized w/out insurance.
Health insurance companies exist for one thing: Profit. They dont provide you medical care but they WILL deny you coverage. They exist to soak as much money from you as possible, they are profit driven.
The problem is that corporately financed rightwing shills and charlatans have filled you so full of disinformation you are scared of changing the most embarrassing and broken health care system in the industrialized world. Thats why we rank 37th in healthcare, just behind Costa Rica (where I've been and would have no problem with their healthcare if I had to use it.)
Dare I say I'd even like it better than this broken, immoral, profit driven healthcare that causes 40,000 to die prematurely every year
Quote:
Originally Posted by sickofnyc
neither of you have ever taken one single business class have you? A company out to make a profit is not breaking news.
I swear some people must have a yellow sticky by their bed that says breathe...
Involuntary servitude.
Punishment for failure to obey.
Government sponsored thievery - taking from one and giving to another.
Taking of private property without just compensation... correction, socialists can't own private property (mea culpa).
And for those who espouse, "No one should suffer because they lack health care...", should preface it with "No one should be compelled to labor for another, so that..."
Slavery is never an acceptable solution to the ills of mankind... even when you call it "democratic socialism".
You just described Federal Income tax and the IRS. You should be be up in arms about that.
Same talking points as BECK, HANNITY, LIMBO, ETC.
You get your "FACTS" from entertainers?
Translation: I can't refute any of the points you made, but I hate them anyway, so I'll try to attack the messenger instead.
Last edited by Little-Acorn; 03-19-2010 at 03:24 PM..
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