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Old 03-19-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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Give it up, losers. The bill is going to pass!
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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If you want to control the cost of health care look at wealth redistribtuion. Reagan stile. The rich are gettin gricher and the poor are getting poorer. The pread is widening. close the gap and health care costs will drop.
Everyone will become poorer under this administration. Reagan gave us fantastic opportunity and those well equipt to take advantage of it prospered. The dolts sitting on the couch did not. Happens under a free economic society, some will win and some will lose. You cant correct those things by stripping away everyone elses wealth. Has failed in every country that has tried it.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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the sad part is that most americans are truly optimistic (which is a good thing) and want to think that the government is actually looking out for them.

if they didn't learn from the wall street bailouts, the GM and GMAC financing arm bailout, the IMF money, the perpetuation of wars, the cap and trade tax proposal, the push for illegal immigration, and now this health care fiasco- i don't know what else to say.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Give it up, losers. The bill is going to pass!
Well you are right, we will all be losers if it does pass. But I suspect it will end up in the courts. So, don't open that BUD just yet.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:59 PM
 
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No they haven't!
I find this fitting.
The best place to hide something is out in the open!

That is what they are doing with this healthcare and the whole obama campaign and presidency!
if this government actually cared about the poor, which it does not, it would be addressing the employment situation so that the poor would not have to work so hard to find a job and settle for lower wages when they do find a job.

WHO DO YOU THINK THE POOR COMPETE WITH FOR JOBS? DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT CARES?
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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I promise to fight with the legislature to pass a reasonable health care bill if they would only vote no on this mess. We need to do something about pre existing conditions and the cost of medical care, but this does nothing to control the cost to the individual policy holders.

Line is busy, busy. I will keep trying but I will bet the yanked the phone.
That pre-existing conditions ban clause doesn't even kick in until 2014 because they need to collect money for 4 years upfront before giving the benefit. GREAT PLAN DEMS!
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:05 PM
 
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Give it up, losers. The bill is going to pass!
you mean give it up FELLOW losers because we will all be in the same mandatory health insurance tax boat.
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:05 PM
 
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Everyone will become poorer under this administration. Reagan gave us fantastic opportunity and those well equipt to take advantage of it prospered. The dolts sitting on the couch did not. Happens under a free economic society, some will win and some will lose. You cant correct those things by stripping away everyone elses wealth. Has failed in every country that has tried it.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/total-credit-debt-percentage-gdp.jpg

http://longwavegroup.com/publications/special_editions/2009/pdf/091222_Dow1000.pdf

Reagan ruined America. He started a debt bubble that is destroying America. I loved and supported Reagan when he was in office. Now look at what he did. Look at 1981 on the graph. The debt goes vertical. There was a 15X bull rally in the stock market. This will be followed by an even bigger crash. Yes people got rich off of this. But wealth wasn't created by it wealth was destroyed by it. All that it was was wealth transfer to the rich from the middle class making them poor.

Raegan set us up for a depression that will make the great one look like a normal business cylcle recession in comparison.
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Maine
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http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/total-credit-debt-percentage-gdp.jpg

http://longwavegroup.com/publications/special_editions/2009/pdf/091222_Dow1000.pdf

Reagan ruined America. He started a debt bubble that is destroying America. I loved and supported Reagan when he was in office. Now look at what he did. Look at 1981 on the graph. The debt goes vertical. There was a 15X bull rally in the stock market. This will be followed by an even bigger crash. Yes people got rich off of this. But wealth wasn't created by it wealth was destroyed by it. All that it was was wealth transfer to the rich from the middle class making them poor.

Raegan set us up for a depression that will make the great one look like a normal business cylcle recession in comparison.
Reagan also gave us the Failed Amnesty program of 1986.
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:16 PM
 
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http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/total-credit-debt-percentage-gdp.jpg

http://longwavegroup.com/publications/special_editions/2009/pdf/091222_Dow1000.pdf

Reagan ruined America. He started a debt bubble that is destroying America. I loved and supported Reagan when he was in office. Now look at what he did. Look at 1981 on the graph. The debt goes vertical. There was a 15X bull rally in the stock market. This will be followed by an even bigger crash. Yes people got rich off of this. But wealth wasn't created by it wealth was destroyed by it. All that it was was wealth transfer to the rich from the middle class making them poor.

Raegan set us up for a depression that will make the great one look like a normal business cylcle recession in comparison.
i can see that we need to clear this up. here is the list:
The numbers below do NOT reflect the actual National Debt. Instead, they reflect the amount of the INCREASE in the National Debt during each presidential term.
> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase
> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase
> George H.W. Bush’s Term – $1.587 trillion increase
> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase
> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase
> George W. Bush’s First Term – $1.885 trillion increase
> George W. Bush’s Second Term – $3.014 trillion increase
> Barack Obama’s First “Year” – $1.573 trillion increase
To summarize, the National Debt increased by huge amounts under each of these presidents. The largest increase for a complete term occurred during George W. Bush’s second term. The largest increase during a single year occurred during Barack Obama’s first year.

Or, to put it another way, after one year, Obama is already in fourth place for increasing the national debt behind George W. Bush II, George W. Bush I, and George H.W. Bush. He’s already out-paced Bill Clinton’s entire eight years in office, and is only a few hundred billion dollars away from passing Reagan’s two terms.

Anyone want to guess where this is headed ?

also, as you can see that every president has increased the debt of every other president. anyone can also see that george bush jr was a disaster for this country and spent like a liberal, which is why the liberal congress never opposed him. he gave tons of money to foreign countries, just as any other liberal would, and just as obama does.
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