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If you think living in projects, off food stamps is appealing then go right ahead. This Bill does nothing to stop you from striving to be whatever you want to be. It simply gives those less fortunate a chance..just a chance. Sad that you're so insulated that you don't understand that.
I work because it's what I'm suppose to do. I'm not supposed to be dropped from my health plan because I change careers or get a promotion.
Yes, it does stop me from thriving, because if I do, they will take what they think is "more than my share." It gives those less fortunate (or lazy, or addicted, or enabled) a chance WITH MY MONEY.
Ok, well then the current system was 100% funded by the tax payers. Happy now? Good job at twisting the words. It is obvious that a few posts ago you thought the government would pay the difference. .
What do you mean, "the government would pay the difference". The government has no money. Don't you get that? It is OUR money the government uses.
Sorry I got you so worked up. I refuse to argue with those against the health reform though .
I agree with you there, it will be much more useful to discuss issues involved in continuing to move forward. There certainly has to be a lot of work done on dealing with the exploding costs of care services.
We often pay for the low-risk crowd's illnesses, accidents, etc, when they do get sick b/c they have no ins. Low risk does not mean no-risk, something they don't seem to understand.
Exactly! Just because you are young and low risk you still need to be covered, because you may get into an accident, or you may get pregnant.
For example, a pregnant uninsured woman today cannot get maternity insurance - it's a pre-existing condition. So, she doesn't go to see a doctor, she doesn't get regular care, she goes to the hospital emergency room when she develops a bad complication (and usually it's costly one) or she is already in labor. If you have ever been in the emergency room for OBGYN reasons and spend hours and hours there while told that there are tons of women ahead of your who are in active labor or have ruptured tubes or are bleeding to death you will know what I mean. When these women are dismissed from the hospital, guess who pays their bills? They certainly don't have money to do this, so the hospital picks up the cost and they must prorate these costs to insured or cash patients in form of higher bills in order to stay in business.
Everyone on both sides of the aisle are on high alert now, and they know it. People realize they've been asleep at the wheel way too long and that the ingrained problems of DC are in part, due to that. All bozos in office are now in the crosshairs. Good. They should be nervous.
I agree!
what really gets me, and why I changed to a registered independent, is just for this very reason....it really scares me, when people from both sides back they're parties corrupt behavior....?????? I sure hope your right...
so what's next? Amnesty, in leiu of fixing our broken immagration system?
The Tea Party and the Republicans made a fool out of themselves over this thing. They lied, and their lies were exposed, and then they lost the fight in the end.
I disagree! The Dems made themselves to be MUCH worse than fools of themselves by taking all the backdoor deals and being in bed with the insurance companies while shutting out Repubs of the HC process/meetings.
No transparency and all backdoor deals and smoking mirrors.
HC sorely needs to be reformed BUT NOT in this way!
I agree with you there, it will be much more useful to discuss issues involved in continuing to move forward. There certainly has to be a lot of work done on dealing with the exploding costs of care services.
I just don't see the point in arguing with someone who obviously doesn't see eye to eye with me, or is even slightly open minded to consider the possible benefits of this reform. Granted, it's not perfect, but it's a start. It's just my opinion - he doesn't have to agree. But I have a low tolerance for drama to begin with, so that might be the reason.
I am from Germany, so this reform is just natural to me. Nothing to be afraid of .
They failed. They began to abuse the rights of the people, by implementing (or permitting) schemes that harmed the rights, prosperity, and safety of ordinary Americans.
But, but, aren't you neo-rightest against the very regulations and regulatory agencies whose very purpose is to stop schemes that harm rights, prosperity and safety? Seems the GOP has been doing exactly what you folks have demanding. Now that the you are reaping what you sowed you want to blame everyone but yourselves.
When we elected an extreme-left Democrat President, with extremist Democrats in charge of large majorities in the House and Senate, that was the ball game. Major legislation to sieze unheard-of power, against both the Constitution and the will of the American people, would follow that act, as surely as water flows downhill.
And why did we elect such extreme leftists to such high positions in 2006 and 2008? Because Republicans, who came to power on the strength or an agenda the majority of Americans wanted - low taxes, low spending, strong defense, personal freedom and personal responsibillity - have been giving up those very ideals for twenty years, and acting more and more like Democrats themselves. They have exploded spending, created socialistic government entitlements, racked up huge debts, and passed and signed legislation robbing freedoms from Americans. Not nearly as much as the present administration, but far more than the people who voted for them, ever wanted.
And the America people, particularly the conservatives they had betrayed, reacted by kicking them out of power in 2006 and 2008.
Some might assign blame to the Democrats, who have been pushing so hard for expanding government and installing socialism since most of us have been alive. But that's like blaming a tiger for raking a man's face off with its claws in the middle of the street in town. The Democrats can't help pushing socialism any more than the tiger can help carving a man to ribbons - it is simply their nature to do so, and the only thing they know. Blame should be assigned, instead, to the people let the tiger into the village when they knew its nature and should have known better than to become careless enough to let it in.
Republicans' duties while in power, were to do what their voters sent them there to do. And that was to be conservative, allow the economy to reward those who achieved, defend their basic rights, and in general justify the tust the voters had placed in them. Doing this would ensure, not only their continued residence in power, but their continued defense of the country and the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
They failed. They began to abuse the rights of the people, by implementing (or permitting) schemes that harmed the rights, prosperity, and safety of ordinary Americans. They should have known voters would react predictably - a reaction made more than predictable, by the declining percentage of people who voted for them in nearly every election since they were put in power in 1994 and 2000. But they continued sliding more and more to the left, and failing to defend against domestic planners who had put in place a scheme that wound up crashing the entire economy in 2007-2009. And so the American people who had voted for them, expressed their disgust and booted them out... which was no more than they deserved. This eliminated the only people who had defended the Constitution from its enemies, and left the barbarians free to enter Rome.
And enter they have. We are now seeing power being seized by the U.S. Government in ways the Republicans never dreamed, and which the country's founders DID dream and wrote an ironclad Constitution to forbid. They are brushing aside its bans on government involvement in Health Care Insurance and its refusals to grant the Fed govt authority to force people to buy products, or penalize them without criminal charges or trials if they refused.
Tonight Barack Obama stated flatly that the just-passed legislation didn't fix every ill in Health Care - as if anything could do that in a world of imperfect people... and that therefore tonight's huge seizure of power was only "a good first step in the right direction". In other words, these people have plenty more such "steps" they intend to impose... and with as much disdain for the will of the people and the commands of the Constitution, as they showed this time.
But as I said above, ultimate blame does not even lie with Obama, Pelosi, Ried, and the rest of the leftists. We, the American people, knew what they were long before we elected them. Republicans in particular, had (or should have had) no illusions about the tyranny inherent in those people's agenda.
And for many years, Republicans were in a position to stop them and expose them for what they were... and they failed.
REPUBLICANS - politicians and voters - were as much as fault for the shocking power grabs and incredible debts we are seeing today, as the Democrats who are actually implementing those destructive policies. No one expects the Democrats to "know better", any more than they expect lemmings to "know better" than to drown themselves en masse.
But the people who let the tiger into the village, or the barbarians into the gates, SHOULD have known better than to do those things.
They are the ones truly at fault. And there is an (R) after every one of their names.
Let me tell my little story..
As a foreigner,I was living in Ath,GR during 2002-2006. My only source of USA info was that CNN of Hanoi Jane's ex husband...
I actually did not understand that the Reps had triple majority,House,Senate,Presidency...for the first time since...forever...
How did they use that power ?
My guess is that they reduced the top income tax rate from 39.5 % to 35 &...expanded the ...socialist program "Medicare "...
Am I right..?
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