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American citizens now get to see extra deductions taken (extortion) from their paychecks for about 4 years with nothing to show for it in that time, Hooray!!!
Well I ENTRUSTED in a friend who knows a constitutional attorney and he said it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL for the US Government to force people to purchase their product.
That's good enough for me.
If it isn't for you, well have it your way.
Its also mandatory to purchase car insurance in most states right? Is that unconstitutional? P.s what government 'product' would you be required to purchase?
No3. Many Americans already have socialized healthcare
you are correct many do have socialized...about 70 million (or about 22%)
now lets look.....
LOOK at the numbers; look at the cost of our current systems: the more costly medicare; or even the less costly medicaid....go ahead look at the numbers
1. MEDICARE currently covers (only partially, it is not 100% coverage) about 40 million (about 1/7th of the population) seniors and has an ANNUAL COST of 500 BILLION dollars.............................to cover all, would cost anywhere from $2.5-4.5 trillion A YEAR..............
2. we spend 300 BILLION dollars on MEDICAID ...to cover (at 100%) about 30 million (most esitmates are between 25 million and 35 million).....transfer that number to 320 million people (our population) the cost would be about 3 TRILLION A YEAR...................
NOW lets look at what the taxpayer would expect:
divide those numbers (2.5 trillion to 4.5 trillion) by the 120 million taxpayers(according to the IRS)...that's an average tax bill of $20,000-38,000 EACH HOUSEHOLD, EACH YEAR, an always rising.......can you afford that,,, I certainly cant...and its a HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN PRIVATE INSURANCE. and a heck of a lot especially if you dont go to a docotor but once a year.....is that what they want a once a year doctor bill for $20,000plus
and the garbage they passed does NOTHING for the people
Its also mandatory to purchase car insurance in most states right? Is that unconstitutional? P.s what government 'product' would you be required to purchase?
no that is not unconstitutional, because it is requred BY THE INDIVIDUAL STATES, not NATIONALLY
Its also mandatory to purchase car insurance in most states right? Is that unconstitutional? P.s what government 'product' would you be required to purchase?
Health Insurance and the Constitution has been breached with this now law.
It should also be VERY enlightening to all to realize that 60% of Americans are paying 3% or less of their income in federal income tax. And of that 60%, 67% are actually getting more back from the federal government than they pay in federal income tax.
There are a lot of people not paying their "fair share."
This new law is a travesty -- but not for any of the reasons the Republicans/teaparty people say it is.
Close to $1 trillion taxpayer will now be shoveled into the already-filthy rich hands of insurance company CEOs and their boards of directors. And all so that 30-40 million more Americans can have the "privilege" of having completely useless health insurance policies underwritten for them. This law does nothing to address cost-control: among ever-increasing premiums, deductibles, and the rising cost of procedures themselves, many of these new policy-holders will simply be unable to afford to actually use their "coverage".
From the Right, we hear cavemen-like cries of "socialism" leveled at the legislation. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is Corporatism, similar to how Bush Jr. and the Republicans enacted Medicare-D, which funneled hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to pharmaceutical companies.
Without even a strong public option (itself a weak compromise from not having the logical system -- a single-payer national health insurance system), this law is actually a gigantic corporate welfare gift to the health insurance industry and Big Pharma. The GOP is upset only because the Democrats are, like them, receiving big checks from the health industry.
The party of FDR and the New Deal Democrats -- the REAL Democrats -- is dead; we now have Wall St. Obama and the Corporate Democrats robbing us on behalf of their corporate masters as the Republicans have been doing to us for decades since Reagan, continuing the legacy of Corporate Democrat Bill Clinton.
This is exactly how I feel. I seriously do not know how mandating buying Private Health Insurance can be executed by the Federal Government and implemented by the IRS. I for one, am tiring of making an almost monopoly health insurance industry richer.
you are correct many do have socialized...about 70 million (or about 22%)
now lets look.....
LOOK at the numbers; look at the cost of our current systems: the more costly medicare; or even the less costly medicaid....go ahead look at the numbers
1. MEDICARE currently covers (only partially, it is not 100% coverage) about 40 million (about 1/7th of the population) seniors and has an ANNUAL COST of 500 BILLION dollars.............................to cover all, would cost anywhere from $2.5-4.5 trillion A YEAR..............
2. we spend 300 BILLION dollars on MEDICAID ...to cover (at 100%) about 30 million (most esitmates are between 25 million and 35 million).....transfer that number to 320 million people (our population) the cost would be about 3 TRILLION A YEAR...................
NOW lets look at what the taxpayer would expect:
divide those numbers (2.5 trillion to 4.5 trillion) by the 120 million taxpayers(according to the IRS)...that's an average tax bill of $20,000-38,000 EACH HOUSEHOLD, EACH YEAR, an always rising.......can you afford that,,, I certainly cant...and its a HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN PRIVATE INSURANCE. and a heck of a lot especially if you dont go to a docotor but once a year.....is that what they want a once a year doctor bill for $20,000plus
and the garbage they passed does NOTHING for the people
it does NOT control costs of insurance OR care
I think it's all about EXTORTION and a backwards way for the crooked politicians to get a different flavor of pork IMO.
Well it will be interesting when the premiums start to skyrocket for those on unemployment or under employed self employed moving targets.
But the sad truth of the matter is, the mouth breathing morons won, so let us move on to the next crisis....CAP & Trade!!! We will not only have insurance that wont kick in for four years we will not be able to turn on the lights to read the damn statement anyway. Isn't socialisim fun?
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