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Old 03-20-2010, 10:48 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So based on the facts, that our health care system that is FAR from the world's best, more expensive than anywhere else...
There are no cost controls or caps on premium increases in the bill.

See the facts on the bill:
Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill | FDL Action
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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There are no cost controls or caps on premium increases in the bill.

See the facts on the bill:
Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill | FDL Action
I didn't expect there would be. There are many positive changes that ARE in the bill starting as soon as it passes though, and it will be fully implemented in the next few years. Here's a projected timeline for these changes.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...c=Worldupdates
I'll take this as a very positive first step.

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Old 03-20-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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We spend more than any other country on health care yet millions have no insurance and therefore, limited access to medical treatment. We rank 37th for health care accord. to WHO, yet conservatives continue to claim we have the best health care in the world. That doesn't make any sense either.
We will now have the quality of care you get in Europe (endless waits for medical care, low quality care), along with the ridiculous prices you point to as the problem. You cannot combine a for-profit health care system with the European model of care: they accomplish it using the single-payer system. What this bill does is take the overly expensive for-profit health care system, with countless middlemen and bureaucrats, and telling it to charge whatever it wants, and send the bill to the taxpayers.

There is nothing in the proposal to slow the rising cost of health care. Just hundreds of billions in taxes transferred to the insurance industry, with the federal government gaining even more size and power in the process. Studies show that premiums will continue to rise, tort liability and malpractice premiums will continue to suck money away from the provision of care. All of the problems we have now will continue, except we have now imposed hundreds of billions of new taxes (that rack up for 4 years before a single dollar is spent on benefits) on an economy already crippled and near collapse.
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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The idea that Obama should be impeached because of health care is laughable at most.
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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"Fear, Anger, and Paranoia". The Republican motto.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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The proposed changes increase spending dramatically, most heavily concentrated in the out-years. The gross cost of the bill has risen from $875 billion to $940 billion over ten years–but almost $40 billion of that comes in 2019. The net cost has increased even more dramatically, from $624 billion to $794 billion. That’s because the excise tax has been so badly weakened. This is of dual concern: it’s a financing risk, but it also means that the one provision which had a genuine shot at “bending the cost curve” in the broader health care market has at this point, basically been gutted. Moreover, it’s hard not to believe that the reason it has been moved to 2018 is that no one really thinks it’s ever going to take effect. It’s one thing to have a period of adjustment. But a tax that takes effect in eight years is a tax so unpopular that it has little realistic chance of being allowed to stand.

And, she asks, WHEN YOU BORROW FROM YOURSELF, HAVE YOU REALLY SAVED MONEY? “A disturbingly high percentage of the revenues still come from insurance premiums for other programs. About $53 billion of the net deficit reduction is from Social Security taxes collected on the wages people will now be getting in lieu of health care benefits. But since those contributions raise the amount Social Security will eventually have to pay out, the Republicans convincingly argue that this is not true ‘deficit reduction’; it’s just deficit shifting. Ditto the premiums for the new long-term care insurance.”

“Obamacare’s worst tax hike is the imposition of a new 3.9 percent Medicare payroll tax on capital gains and other investments,” adds the economist Larry Kudlow at National Review Online. “What will this do? It will depress the economy, depress wages, and depress jobs. Washington doesn’t understand that you can’t create jobs without new healthy businesses.” (nytimes)

i suggest that washington DOES understand and could care less about jobs and / or the long-term future. it is all about funding the beast.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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We will now have the quality of care you get in Europe (endless waits for medical care, low quality care), along with the ridiculous prices you point to as the problem. You cannot combine a for-profit health care system with the European model of care: they accomplish it using the single-payer system. What this bill does is take the overly expensive for-profit health care system, with countless middlemen and bureaucrats, and telling it to charge whatever it wants, and send the bill to the taxpayers.
They don't understand that. This will have to be a 'live and learn' lesson from the school of hard knocks.

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All of the problems we have now will continue, except we have now imposed hundreds of billions of new taxes (that rack up for 4 years before a single dollar is spent on benefits) on an economy already crippled and near collapse.
Don't forget to add that this bill will also impose additional health insurance cost burdens onto the working individuals and families who are struggling to keep their homes from being foreclosed on, among other things...
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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I never feared about my future until Barrack unglued our country.
Our children will pay in taxes big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are talking inflation and doublingh the tax rate of now.
Spending is a short term gamble Barrack.
You must have been enraged and fuming before Obama even took office, considering the waste and theivery that ensued at that point in time.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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We will now have the quality of care you get in Europe (endless waits for medical care, low quality care), along with the ridiculous prices you point to as the problem.
It's amazing that Europe has such terrible quality of care yet they still live longer than we do.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:06 PM
 
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None of those claims can be validated unless one lies and cheats to make its case. Sorry, you have no argument.
Fail.
Of course it's been proven, time and again.
You just don't want to accept the truth.
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