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You're missing the point. I haven't seen anything to suggest that the numbers given to the CBO to score another issue were not accurate numbers. The case has been made by a good number of people in the know that the numbers give for the scoring of this health care "bill" are incorrect, inobtainable, manipulated, screwy, invalid, unrealistic, and outright lies. The issue isn't with the CBO, it's with the lying politicians feeding them clearly lousy numbers for their use.
Sorry buddy, but I believe you're the one whose missing the point.
The criticisms of the CBO score could be said of the other projections that sanrene thought she could twist to fit her agenda.
How can you expect people to take you seriously if you act like its fact when it suits your agenda but scream fiction when it doesn't?
By the way have you read the links on Ryan's report?
It is said to be a real deficit destroyer.
Its understandable why the Dems ain't talking about it but its curious why Ryan's own team is not championing it?
Given the Party people's claim that they want gubberment out of their lives and to pay down the debt, why are they also silent on Ryan's strategy which has the CBO's bill of approval?
The man Ryan has a bold, ambitious market based plan, so why isn't Beck, Rush and the others championing it?
Not a good number of people, just one. Holtz-Eakin is the one that poorly made the case the rest are just cheer leaders.
Then please explain why the case is poorly made. What do you dispute?
114 billion, not included in the bill-cost to run the new programs.
10 years of revenue, 6 of expenses. That's how it was scored. Reality?
Doctor Fix-not included. Do you support the 21% decrease in reimbursements that this assumes? Or do you think they'll add this on later this year and pretend it's not included in the healthcare budget?
He nails him on the double counting in the HC bill, on the obama deficits and spending.
Does Plouffe have a rebuttal? Not in the least - he ignores the facts and statistics and continues on with his propaganda.
I do wonder WHY ABC has cut off the video of Karls opening salvo, item by item of how the democrats are hiding AT LEAST $500 Billion in deficit spending.
In February 2010 alone, 0bama added $220 billion to the deficit.
They are double counting, they cut Medicare by $500 billion, and then take that $500 billion and spend it within the health care bill, but they still claim they saved it.
Anyone who is honest knows that they cannot reduce reimbursements to Medicare by $500 billion, and not have doctors and pharmacies turning away Medicare customers. Even if they do accept those customers, they will only pass on their losses to the private sector, which means the costs for everyone's health care will rise, and insurance premiums will rise.
It will be like a self fulfilling prophecy, 0bama will artificially force the health care costs to rise, and say "See, I told you those evil insurance companies would raise your rates, we need UHC."
So what happens when being a doctor or a pharmacist becomes a lower paying profession, but the costs for a college education, costs for malpractice insurance, and the costs for delivering care keep going up?
{snip} The man Ryan has a bold, ambitious market based plan, so why isn't Beck, Rush and the others championing it?
One thing at a time. First we have to stop the democrats from destroying the health care system, then we look into really fixing the reasons behind rising health care costs.
One thing at a time. First we have to stop the democrats from destroying the health care system, then we look into really fixing the reasons behind rising health care costs.
The Republicans have NO solutions just trash talk.
Then please explain why the case is poorly made. What do you dispute?
114 billion, not included in the bill-cost to run the new programs.
114 billion dollars of addtional spending is not in the bill. Please tell where Eakin gets that number.
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10 years of revenue, 6 of expenses. That's how it was scored. Reality?
It would seem to me that starting with a pool of money and then to pay as you go would be the ideal way to go. Can you explain to me why conservatives are against to pay as you go.
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Doctor Fix-not included. Do you support the 21% decrease in reimbursements that this assumes?
Are you asking if I'm for the 21% savings in Medicare that is written into this bill. Yes they have been operating like that at Mayo Rochester for years and are considered one of the best in the world.
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Or do you think they'll add this on later this year and pretend it's not included in the healthcare budget?
See above
Here's some more of Eakins BS
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Consider, too, the fate of the $70 billion in premiums expected to be raised in the first 10 years for the legislation’s new long-term health care insurance program. This money is counted as deficit reduction, but the benefits it is intended to finance are assumed not to materialize in the first 10 years, so they appear nowhere in the cost of the legislation.
Now here Eakin is wrong the benefits are included in the total cost of the program. Remember they are paying for the benefits here not adding more benefits
Here's my favorite
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Removing the unrealistic annual Medicare savings ($463 billion) and the stolen annual revenues from Social Security and long-term care insurance ($123 billion), and adding in the annual spending that so far is not accounted for ($114 billion) quickly generates additional deficits of $562 billion in the first 10 years. And the nation would be on the hook for two more entitlement programs rapidly expanding as far as the eye can see.
In February 2010 alone, 0bama added $220 billion to the deficit.
They are double counting, they cut Medicare by $500 billion, and then take that $500 billion and spend it within the health care bill, but they still claim they saved it.
Anyone who is honest knows that they cannot reduce reimbursements to Medicare by $500 billion, and not have doctors and pharmacies turning away Medicare customers. Even if they do accept those customers, they will only pass on their losses to the private sector, which means the costs for everyone's health care will rise, and insurance premiums will rise.
It will be like a self fulfilling prophecy, 0bama will artificially force the health care costs to rise, and say "See, I told you those evil insurance companies would raise your rates, we need UHC."
So what happens when being a doctor or a pharmacist becomes a lower paying profession, but the costs for a college education, costs for malpractice insurance, and the costs for delivering care keep going up?
The sky is falling, the sky is falling help run run
President Obama destroying Obstructionist Republicans
These sour grapes threads don't hide this plain fact. This great man annihilated his Republican opposition to get elected. Now he's wiping the floor with regressive Republicans.
We are fortunate to have the great president Obama at the helm! I an enjoying his continuing dominance over clueless Republicans.
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