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Bart Stupak is true to his personal principles and true to the people he represents.
Bart Stupak understands that simplistic dichotomies like left/right or liberal/conservative don't adequately describe the political choices we face.
The only people Stupak truely understands are the half who are not facing the prospect of losing the right to decide what happens to their bodies.
Stupak doesn't understand that you cannot legislate morality. Choice is not a political decision, it is a moral one and needs to be made by the individual.
The only people Stupak truely understands are the half who are not facing the prospect of losing the right to decide what happens to their bodies.
Stupak doesn't understand that you cannot legislate morality. Choice is not a political decision, it is a moral one and needs to be made by the individual.
That is one of the most common fallacies; it's just regurgitated without even thinking about it.
Society deems murder immoral, thus they've legislated it as illegal. Society deems stealing immoral, thus they've legislated it as illegal. Society deems rape immoral, thus they've legislated it as illegal. I could go on and one, but I just wanted you to realize that not only is your statement 100% false, the exact opposite is true; laws are legislated morality. So now you never have to utter or type that ignorant and inaccurate statement ever again.
We need to show ALL the congress members who voted for this socialism the door. This is America, not the soviet union. The goverment should NOT be able to tell you to buy health insurance, should not fine businesses and individuals who do not have coverage for themselves or employees. The goverment should not be able to tax us, in order to ensure the prepetually jobless have coverage. THis socialism infuriates me. Of course nothing we should not expect from Premier Obama and Commisar Pelosi. They took over the banks, they nationalized GM and Chrysler, and now they are taking over the health care industry. Im sure Ill be slammed for this post by those who are leftist, those who believe the goverment owes them a job, owes them healthcare, owes them welfare when things dont work out. Ive got news for you, the goverment is not your daddy, and those of us who do work dont owe you a thing! Get a job, support yourself, its not your neighboors job to pay your mortgage, pay your health bills and feed your kids.
I dont get it, how did this happen? How have Americans come to think this is ok? Didnt we win the cold war, or did I miss something? I must have missed the communist invasion. Since real Americans would never support something like this Id better go check my history book to see if I can find the date of the soviet invasion.
The only people Stupak truely understands are the half who are not facing the prospect of losing the right to decide what happens to their bodies.
Stupak doesn't understand that you cannot legislate morality. Choice is not a political decision, it is a moral one and needs to be made by the individual.
I think that what Stupak does understand is that unborn children are living beings with beating hearts, brains, etc. and that, as such, they have a right to have a stake in what happens to their little bodies. Since they can't advocate for themselves, someone else needs to do it. There are laws based on morality that hopefully deter someone from coming along and snuffing out your life and mine, they deserve the same protection. And I don't think that responsible, hardworking taxpaying citizens should have to pay for someone else to destroy their child just because they were irresponsible and conceived it when it just wasn't convenient to their life at the moment. I would honestly rather pay for services for a child who was allowed to live than I would to have one killed for the sake of convenience.
This is one area where you and I will respectfully have to agree to disagree, MiCoastieMom.
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We need to show ALL the congress members who voted for this socialism the door. This is America, not the soviet union. The goverment should NOT be able to tell you to buy health insurance, should not fine businesses and individuals who do not have coverage for themselves or employees. The goverment should not be able to tax us, in order to ensure the prepetually jobless have coverage. THis socialism infuriates me. Of course nothing we should not expect from Premier Obama and Commisar Pelosi. They took over the banks, they nationalized GM and Chrysler, and now they are taking over the health care industry. Im sure Ill be slammed for this post by those who are leftist, those who believe the goverment owes them a job, owes them healthcare, owes them welfare when things dont work out. Ive got news for you, the goverment is not your daddy, and those of us who do work dont owe you a thing! Get a job, support yourself, its not your neighboors job to pay your mortgage, pay your health bills and feed your kids.
I dont get it, how did this happen? How have Americans come to think this is ok? Didnt we win the cold war, or did I miss something? I must have missed the communist invasion. Since real Americans would never support something like this Id better go check my history book to see if I can find the date of the soviet invasion.
Even the most liberal news sources such as CNBC and CNN are predicting that this bill will be political suicide for Dems come November. At least we still have a voice in the voting booth, thank God! I don't normally wish for time to pass quickly, but in this case, 2012 can't come soon enough. Hopefully we will still have some say in our lives by then...
That is one of the most common fallacies; it's just regurgitated without even thinking about it.
Society deems murder immoral, thus they've legislated it as illegal. Society deems stealing immoral, thus they've legislated it as illegal. Society deems rape immoral, thus they've legislated it as illegal. I could go on and one, but I just wanted you to realize that not only is your statement 100% false, the exact opposite is true; laws are legislated morality. So now you never have to utter or type that ignorant and inaccurate statement ever again.
what happens when that young girl becomes pregnant from that rape you speak of? is a medical procedure not okay then?
why are we politically debating in the Michigan forum? Shouldn't this be moved?
You could have stopped the bill and killed it had you really stood by your abortion principles but instead you have ensured that abortions will one day absolutely be funded under a national health care system. Do you really think people believe a Presidential decree will stand up over time? Despite what the President said on Sunday his decree means nothing because if it’s not part of the bill you voted for and the one he will sign into law so his promise means nothing going forward. You just voted yes to help pave the way for a system which incrementally will surely find a way to add it over time. I find great irony in this.
In the next election I will be supporting your opponent financially from my new residence in Texas. Someday I may return to the state but be sure that many former Michigan expats are watching our former home state from afar. My parents do have a house in your district which I may some day possibly own so I do have a say and am not just some interloper complaining from another state.
Do you think anybody seriously believes that our health care system will be better off in the long run because of this and that this system will also not go broke and drive us further into debt, and that you'll come back to us for more and more in taxes to keep it afloat? Our personal freedom took another huge hit on Sunday and you are a major reason why.
You can lie to your priest any Sunday in the confessional and be forgiven, but I and many other Americans can see them plain as day and will find it much harder to forgive you. You bowed to the wrong master last Sunday and I hope you pay with your job. Enjoy your retirement at the great expense to tax payers that you and all members of congress have lavished upon yourselves over the years.
We need to show ALL the congress members who voted for this socialism the door. This is America, not the soviet union. The goverment should NOT be able to tell you to buy health insurance, should not fine businesses and individuals who do not have coverage for themselves or employees. The goverment should not be able to tax us, in order to ensure the prepetually jobless have coverage. THis socialism infuriates me. Of course nothing we should not expect from Premier Obama and Commisar Pelosi. They took over the banks, they nationalized GM and Chrysler, and now they are taking over the health care industry. Im sure Ill be slammed for this post by those who are leftist, those who believe the goverment owes them a job, owes them healthcare, owes them welfare when things dont work out. Ive got news for you, the goverment is not your daddy, and those of us who do work dont owe you a thing! Get a job, support yourself, its not your neighboors job to pay your mortgage, pay your health bills and feed your kids.
I dont get it, how did this happen? How have Americans come to think this is ok? Didnt we win the cold war, or did I miss something? I must have missed the communist invasion. Since real Americans would never support something like this Id better go check my history book to see if I can find the date of the soviet invasion.
the soviet union doesn't exist anymore. However, Cuba does have an excellent health care system. Bravo for socialized medical care. Too bad this bill isn't that.
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