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"The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994."
So much for socialism
Well, take it from someone who knows. Under the Massachusetts plan the lowest tier gets a free ride while working class people are left to deal with things on their own. I'm pretty much an average middle class working guy. The Massachusetts plan does absolutely nothing for me except make me pay for other peole beacause I'm "rich". Also, take a look at our state treasurer's opinion on things:
If you are switching from company A to company B, you are not losing coverage for 63 days..
1) You are often moving companies in the matter of several weeks. You interview for new job, you find new job, you quit your old job, start new job. Rarely unless you get fired or laid off are you taking 2+ months off..
2) You can buy your coverage for 6+ months in the event you get fied or laid off, thereby not experiencing a lapse of coverage..
It seems YOU dont understand HIPPA (but I also note your miskey on the name) haha
I'm disputing the numerous individuals here who claim that you can be denied coverage at a new job when moving from an old one. An outright LIE..
Many members of the GOP would have supported a bill to completely do away with pre-existing conditions. No one on this thread is disputing that there were issues in healthcare n this matter. But to proclaim that individuals were tied to company A because of pre-existing conditions is an outright LIE..
I actually understand HIPAA pretty well. I wasn't aware that we are only concerned with whether someone who is switching jobs voluntarily from one company with a group plan to another will be subject to pre-existing condition exclusions. If that's all we are concerned about, then you're right. Those people would be unlikely to experience a significant coverage break over 63 days.
What about everyone else? What about the people that want to work for a small company that doesn't have a group plan? There are many, many small companies that can't afford to offer a group plan. What about the employees that want to leave their job to start their own company?
You still don't get it. Do yourself a favor and read the article written by a conservative. The author has been saying the same thing I've been telling you guys since before the last election. The entire point is that the right lost by following the hysteria and lies preached by their talking heads yet again. Even a victory in November will mean little compared to this win today.
The author is NOT a conservative, a useful idiot for the left maybe, but definitely not a conservative. He is one of those inside the beltway elites who have lost their way.
Since the last election, the GOP has won three huge state elections, all in states that obama carried by wide margins.
IF the R's get control of congress there are many things they can do to walk back the government takeover of HC, like defund the 160 new bureaucracies created by the legislation.
I wasn't aware that we are only concerned with whether someone who is switching jobs voluntarily from one company with a group plan to another will be subject to pre-existing condition exclusions. If that's all we are concerned about, then you're right. Those people would be unlikely to experience a significant coverage over 63 days.
The comments pertained to these individuals which I directly disputed.. People are NOT tied to a company due to pre-existing conditions.. NUMEROUS posters here have claimed they are, but as you now conceed, they are not..
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What about everyone else? What about the people that want to work for a small company that doesn't have a group plan? There are many, many small companies that can't afford to offer a group plan. What about the employees that want to leave their job to start their own company?
I'm in that "employers that want to leave to start their own company".. I was employed 8 years ago in the insurance industry (an insurance company that insured prisoners, contracted by states, federal government, and counties, technically it wasnt "insurance", we were a payment processing company). No one claims there wasnt problems in healthcare. But that does not justify taking over 1/6th of the economy, violating the constitution, mandating expenses on the states that they cant afford, all in the name of "fixing costs on healthcare" which this bill does NOT ADDRESS.
Nothing in this bill limits healthcare expenses. It just changes who pays the bill. And since the government is currently paying below market rates at an amount which can not support medical facilities and doctors, we are headed to one big major headache in the future.
What part of this is so hard to understand? The government NOW pays so little that doctors are refusing to take their payments or see new customers, and the governments solution, cut 1/2 a trillion MORE...
For a repeal to happen before 2013, the GOP would need to get a 2/3 veto-proof majority in both the house and senate in the November elections. That's just not going to happen. And people who think that courts are going to strike this bill down are dreaming.
All they need are majorities in both house to do things like defund some aspects of the bill.
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Yeah, I'm sure Republicans will win with a platform of revoking healthcare insurance for millions of Americans. NOT!
Luckily, that insurance won't be kicking in for 4 years, while the taxes will kick in immediately - and just watch those insurance premiums rise as insurers and other businesses who are taxed will send that tax on down the line - to consumers.
Oh WAAA! What's wrong with you sore losers? Obviously SOMEBODY needs to regulate the banking and healthcare industries better. We see what happens when the Republicans gain control and are bought off by these industries... we end up in financial collapse and people DIE without affordable health insurance! We tried you deregulation experiment and it DIDN'T WORK! Republicans can REMAIN in TIMEOUT while President Obama and the Democrats fix all that Republicans broke!
This bill was not written by a Republican, nor was it sponsored by any Republican, therefore it is hard to imagine it is a defeat of any kind. There was no GOP counter-legislation that made it out committee either. Plus, in the 1960s Democrats had a super majority in the Senate, with a minimum of 64 seats from 1960-1969 and over 250 seats in the House for that entire decade, aside from the 90th Congress (1967-1969) where Democrats only had 248 seats.
What is funny is that in the early 70s, then president Richard Nixon supported a healthcare reform bill similar to the one passed yesterday. It featured a requirement for employers to provide health insurance to employees, and included expansions to Medicare/Medicaid, and creation of a separate single payer system as an alternative (see Comprehensive Health Insurance Act). However, the Democrats - led by the late Ted Kennedy - killed the bill. Republicans returned the favor in 1993.
Ironically it was a Republican - and one of the "worst" presidents in recent history - who first brought universal healthcare to the table and it was the Democrats and labor unions who shot it down. Hypocrites.
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