So, what do we do to prevent this from happening again? (McCain, Congress)
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I said in another thread, that the people mostly at fault for Socialized Medicine being imposed on us on 21 Mar 2010, were REPUBLICANS. As Pogo said, we have met the enemy, and it is us. Republicans should have known better than to start acting like Democrats, and legislate in ways that got them kicked out in 2006 and 2008, thus letting the barbarians enter the gates of Constitutional government.
So, what do we do to prevent this from happening in the future?
The airwaves are full of predictions that scores of Democrats will lose their Congressional elections this November after arrogantly ignoring the will of the people with this imposition of Socialized Medicine. Possibly even that Republicans will get majorities in one or both houses after the votes are counted. It happened in 1993/1994, when Democrats tried to impose a similar Socialized Medicine program on the country, and failed. The House and Senate were given Republican majorities in the next election, practically for the first time in 60 years.
And this time, the Democrats have actually SUCCEEDED in imposing socialism, flatly against the Constitution and the will of the people. So
Republicans should be a shoe-in this time, shouldn't they?
Well, that's not as likely as it may sound.
Republicans had two advantages in the 1994 election, that they don't have now:
1.) A plan for practical policies they presented to the public, that made large numbers want to vote FOR them, and not just AGAINST Democrats. This plan was also one of the rare times when politicians made promises and actually kept every one of them.
2.) A pretty good legislative record of low taxes, reduced government, low spending, and protecting the rights of the people. The spending binges of the 1980s were caused by House majority Democrats who reneged on their promises to then-President Reagan to balance the budget, and racked up huge debts despite rising government revenues, under threat of killing Reagan's military restoration.
Republicans don't have either of these advantages today. The lack of a good legislative record, is a cross mostly of their own making, as they themselves went on huge spending binges in the 2000's as they tried to out-Democrat the Democrats - the very acts that got the Republicans kicked out in 2006 and 2008. Republicans will have to bear this cross inn the 2010 elections - they can't turn the clock back.
And they don't have any coherent plan they can present to the American people, as good reasons to vote for them. "We aren't as bad as Democrats!" is going to ring a little hollow - people heard that throughout the 2000's, and we saw the result in 2006 and 2008.
The "Contract with America" - a list of bills the majority Democrats had kept bottled up in committees in Congress after Congress, never letting them onto the floor for a vote, that Republicans promised WOULD be voted on if people elected them - wasn't introduced until nearly the middle of 1994. This turned out to be a propitious time, as the idea took hold, gained momentum, and peaked in time to sweep Republicans into majorities in both Houses.
It's not quite the middle of 2010 now. But Republicans had better be working on some kind of unifying plan NOW, if they want to present it with the organization needed to push it through by May or June. And "We will repeal the Socialized Medicine plan" is a dangerous one. It will give the leftists a chance to scream, "See? See? Republicans are trying to take away your Health Care!!!", consonant with their long-cherished conviction that if Government doesn't provide something, nobody will provide it.
A proposal like, "We will improve your Health Care by cutting down on insane lawsuit awards, removing the draconian fines and govt forcing you into plans you don't want, and allowing competition across state lines, etc." might gain more traction... and, for the first time, offer people a plan they actually want.
Are Republicans a shoe-in for Congressional majorities after the Democrat imposition of mandatory Socialized Medicine?
NO.
Not unless they get their **** together in one hell of a hurry, and do it right.
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I said in another thread, that the people mostly at fault for Socialized Medicine being imposed on us on 21 Mar 2010, were REPUBLICANS. As Pogo said, we have met the enemy, and it is us. Republicans should have known better than to start acting like Democrats, and legislate in ways that got them kicked out in 2006 and 2008, thus letting the barbarians enter the gates of Constitutional government.
So, what do we do to prevent this from happening in the future?
A good start would be stopping the hypocrisy of:
Claiming to be for less government interference yet thinking Congress should have control over what should be private, personal, moral, medical decisions.
Claiming to be the 'family values' party while sending an adulterer on a witch hunt for another.
Being happy to go off on nation building missions half-way round the world while screaming SOCIALISM! at the mere thought of building our own country.
After that, get some candidates who'll run a campaign based on ideas rather than the McCarthyesque fear-mongering that has become the norm.
I said in another thread, that the people mostly at fault for Socialized Medicine being imposed on us on 21 Mar 2010, were REPUBLICANS. As Pogo said, we have met the enemy, and it is us. Republicans should have known better than to start acting like Democrats, and legislate in ways that got them kicked out in 2006 and 2008, thus letting the barbarians enter the gates of Constitutional government.
So, what do we do to prevent this from happening in the future?
The airwaves are full of predictions that scores of Democrats will lose their Congressional elections this November after arrogantly ignoring the will of the people with this imposition of Socialized Medicine. Possibly even that Republicans will get majorities in one or both houses after the votes are counted. It happened in 1993/1994, when Democrats tried to impose a similar Socialized Medicine program on the country, and failed. The House and Senate were given Republican majorities in the next election, practically for the first time in 60 years.
And this time, the Democrats have actually SUCCEEDED in imposing socialism, flatly against the Constitution and the will of the people. So
Republicans should be a shoe-in this time, shouldn't they?
Well, that's not as likely as it may sound.
Republicans had two advantages in the 1994 election, that they don't have now:
1.) A plan for practical policies they presented to the public, that made large numbers want to vote FOR them, and not just AGAINST Democrats. This plan was also one of the rare times when politicians made promises and actually kept every one of them.
2.) A pretty good legislative record of low taxes, reduced government, low spending, and protecting the rights of the people. The spending binges of the 1980s were caused by House majority Democrats who reneged on their promises to then-President Reagan to balance the budget, and racked up huge debts despite rising government revenues, under threat of killing Reagan's military restoration.
Republicans don't have either of these advantages today. The lack of a good legislative record, is a cross mostly of their own making, as they themselves went on huge spending binges in the 2000's as they tried to out-Democrat the Democrats - the very acts that got the Republicans kicked out in 2006 and 2008. Republicans will have to bear this cross inn the 2010 elections - they can't turn the clock back.
And they don't have any coherent plan they can present to the American people, as good reasons to vote for them. "We aren't as bad as Democrats!" is going to ring a little hollow - people heard that throughout the 2000's, and we saw the result in 2006 and 2008.
The "Contract with America" - a list of bills the majority Democrats had kept bottled up in committees in Congress after Congress, never letting them onto the floor for a vote, that Republicans promised WOULD be voted on if people elected them - wasn't introduced until nearly the middle of 1994. This turned out to be a propitious time, as the idea took hold, gained momentum, and peaked in time to sweep Republicans into majorities in both Houses.
It's not quite the middle of 2010 now. But Republicans had better be working on some kind of unifying plan NOW, if they want to present it with the organization needed to push it through by May or June. And "We will repeal the Socialized Medicine plan" is a dangerous one. It will give the leftists a chance to scream, "See? See? Republicans are trying to take away your Health Care!!!", consonant with their long-cherished conviction that if Government doesn't provide something, nobody will provide it.
A proposal like, "We will improve your Health Care by cutting down on insane lawsuit awards, removing the draconian fines and govt forcing you into plans you don't want, and allowing competition across state lines, etc." might gain more traction... and, for the first time, offer people a plan they actually want.
Are Republicans a shoe-in for Congressional majorities after the Democrat imposition of mandatory Socialized Medicine?
NO.
Not unless they get their **** together in one hell of a hurry, and do it right.
Which I've seen no signs of their doing so far.
They'll have to quit playing to the moral right, which isn't the same thing as the political right (where I still think most American's reside) and get off their ideological high-horse.
With the Neo-Con faction still running the party, I just don't see that happening. They've painted themselves into a corner from which they cannot exit without giving up control of the party.
The next four years will see a battle for control of the party between the Neo-Con ideologues and true Conservatives. Which one wins will, I think, be dependent upon which faction can control the Tea Partier's.
Its really fun to watch the greedy, self centered Republicans spontaneously combust over this issue of healthcare.
Hopefully when all of the rhetoric of their leaders (Rush and Glenn) dies down maybe they will accept the fact that healthcare reform is a blessing for Americans.
Quit thinking that it was the "will of the people", when in reality it was just the people you know and not every other single person in the United States.
1st and foremost, kick the lunatic fringe cult of Beck to the curb and anyone else that wants the US to be a theocratic Christian fundamentalist state and/or a feudal system with corporations running their own personal fiefdoms.
Read up on the true history (pre1994 (http://www.gop.com/index.php/learn/accomplishment/ - broken link)) of the Republican party and their accomplishments.
And start coming up with viable solutions to America's problem.
Republicans had a good track record of protecting small business and entrepreneurs from being devoured by the TBTF of bygone years. True Republicans and conservatives have to remember that.
So, what do we do to prevent this from happening again?
Educate people on the political process and VOTE! It's the ONLY way.
VOTE? Vote for who...your solution is not a solution...and your not getting it...both sides are corrupt and not doing they're job, so why vote? Bush was horrible, however, Obama is worse, and I surely didn't want to take a chance on McCain dying and having Paulin take over?
What the heck is one supposed to vote for, they give us no one decent...and capable...and if you would get someone in there who is not afraid to do the people's work, they would smear his reputation....
my sister always says is what we're actually trying to do is vote for the lessor of two evils....and she is so right!!!
How much do you want to bet, huge corporations are also behind this decission, as they could very easily say, why should we pay health benefits for our employees, when they can recieve benefits for free?
"So, what do we do to prevent this from happening again?"
I don't know what you can do, but if you keep make these absurd arguments, keep running around like crazy people, and lack the intellectual rigor and honesty necessary in a free society, I can guarantee that each time reform comes your way, it will get easier and easier.
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