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Old 03-22-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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first off, i'm completely against this Healthcare Reform Bill...with that being said, i want to congradulate the Democrats on passing this bill!

those of us who were against this bill, have nobody to blame but ourselves...

it just doesn't make sense to want Healthcare Reform, but only when it's convienient to you...in other words, if you're one of those who believed this nation needed Healthcare Reform, then it should have been handled before Obama came to office...

why wasn't this taken care of in the 8 years GW Bush was in office??
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Surrey B.C. Canada
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Health Care Reform. A friendly neighbor's take. It seems that if any idea or plan or method including health care reform it is not considered "AMERICAN" what ever that means, it will not fly. Never mind that millions of your northern neighbors do not try to sneak across the border to live in America because we will lose 3 years of life, live in fear of the negative economic consequences of any kind of illness or accident and pay more for care.
We also run a Capitalistic "For Profit" medical industry which included "private partner" hospitals, which spins off new drugs and procedures and pays big multi-hundred thousand dollar salaries for talented medical business people and managers.
This is a single payer system like medicare however without the political interference that the American system labors under. In fact it works very much like the American Military Single payer system right down to the Triage procedure of determining treatment times.
However no one in America seems to really want to look at other Capitalistic "For Profit" single payer systems because of some mistaken belief that some how Single payer equals socialism which is UN-American and must be bad. Bet you really don't want to hear about any successful capitalistic "For Profit Single Payer Auto Insurance either. Another great plan the middle class loves.
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:37 AM
 
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Health Care Reform. A friendly neighbor's take. It seems that if any idea or plan or method including health care reform it is not considered "AMERICAN" what ever that means, it will not fly. Never mind that millions of your northern neighbors do not try to sneak across the border to live in America because we will lose 3 years of life, live in fear of the negative economic consequences of any kind of illness or accident and pay more for care.
We also run a Capitalistic "For Profit" medical industry which included "private partner" hospitals, which spins off new drugs and procedures and pays big multi-hundred thousand dollar salaries for talented medical business people and managers.
This is a single payer system like medicare however without the political interference that the American system labors under. In fact it works very much like the American Military Single payer system right down to the Triage procedure of determining treatment times.
However no one in America seems to really want to look at other Capitalistic "For Profit" single payer systems because of some mistaken belief that some how Single payer equals socialism which is UN-American and must be bad. Bet you really don't want to hear about any successful capitalistic "For Profit Single Payer Auto Insurance either. Another great plan the middle class loves.
If we had real private health care without government interference or subsidies, then health care would be affordable because the costs would only keep up with inflation and market forces. Doctors and hospitals need to operate in the green as well. If their prices are too high and not many people are seeking treatment (and thus contributing to a negative balance sheet) they will have to lower their prices in order to spur demand. This works in education as well. Remove the middleman from the equation, in this case the government, and you have a very efficient system that leaves few people behind and it won't cost as much
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:56 AM
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If we had real private health care without government interference or subsidies, then health care would be affordable because the costs would only keep up with inflation and market forces. Doctors and hospitals need to operate in the green as well. If their prices are too high and not many people are seeking treatment (and thus contributing to a negative balance sheet) they will have to lower their prices in order to spur demand. This works in education as well. Remove the middleman from the equation, in this case the government, and you have a very efficient system that leaves few people behind and it won't cost as much
What about in life or death situations? Would a patient simply opt to die because the prices are too high and will not seek treatment?
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Old 11-01-2010, 02:06 AM
 
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If we had real private health care without government interference or subsidies, then health care would be affordable because the costs would only keep up with inflation and market forces. Doctors and hospitals need to operate in the green as well. If their prices are too high and not many people are seeking treatment (and thus contributing to a negative balance sheet) they will have to lower their prices in order to spur demand. This works in education as well. Remove the middleman from the equation, in this case the government, and you have a very efficient system that leaves few people behind and it won't cost as much
Well, health care is whats known as a very "high barriers to entry" industry, at least for hospitals. Which means there would be a significant trend towards monopolies or cartels in the business.

It is also "low price elasticity", meaning people do not have much option not to consume if the prize is too high. Both conditions make the establishment of a funtional market challenging, although not impossible.

In any case, I think pretty much everyone has agreed that some kind of reform has been needed for decades. But not what kind.
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Old 11-01-2010, 02:38 AM
 
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Problem with healthcare in America is it just keeps getting more expensive and more people are unable to afford the cost, where will the escalating costs end? who knows but it certainly looks like healthcare is drifting toward a system that only serves the affluent.
The whole system is about greed and maximized profits,patients be damned.
http://www.thirdage.com/general-mone...al-overcharges

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Old 11-01-2010, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Problem with healthcare in America is it just keeps getting more expensive and more people are unable to afford the cost, where will the escalating costs end? who knows but it certainly looks like healthcare is drifting toward a system that only serves the affluent.
The whole system is about greed and maximized profits,patients be damned.
How to Avoid Outrageous Hospital Overcharges | ThirdAge.com Articles
There are only some of us that are worthy of access to care! You just need to get that thru your head.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:47 AM
 
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I'm just an interested observer in the American healthcare debacle ,
up here in Canada were all worthy..
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I'm just an interested observer in the American healthcare debacle ,
up here in Canada were all worthy..
Obviously a large number of Americans do not believe that to be true in the US.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:12 AM
 
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first off, i'm completely against this Healthcare Reform Bill...with that being said, i want to congradulate the Democrats on passing this bill!

those of us who were against this bill, have nobody to blame but ourselves...

it just doesn't make sense to want Healthcare Reform, but only when it's convienient to you...in other words, if you're one of those who believed this nation needed Healthcare Reform, then it should have been handled before Obama came to office...

why wasn't this taken care of in the 8 years GW Bush was in office??
We want health care reform, not a 100% government run health care system. It doesn't have to be convenience to me. Just look at what medicare and medicare do to the cost of medical premium. It's going up every year even when we have more advance medical technology. Why is that? It is because there is a portion of population who does not has to pay a penny to go see a doctor.

If they really want reform, look at New Zealand. I have read their system require patients to pay the first 4 visits before insurance kick in. If we have such system, I am sure people only go when they are really need it. Not visit 3 to 5 times just for a cold.
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