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Old 06-23-2010, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wow, failure at the start. Sad when propaganda runs into the actual text of the bill, but the results are funny.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:02 AM
 
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This should be important to you whether you are an R, D or I.
_________________________________________________

C H E E R S
This will take less than thirty seconds to read. It makes sense. If you agree, please pass it on.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress can retire with full pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, that they exempt themselves from many of the laws they have passed (i.e. being exempt from prosecution for misconduct) unlike ordinary citizens. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered...in all of its forms. Seems illogical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. Whether Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever, the self-serving must stop. Consider the following - an idea whose time has come.

Have each person contact a minimum of Twenty people on their Address list, in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
In three days, most people in
The United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ".
What law exempts members of congress? None as far as I know. Show me a law that exempts members of congress from paying social security. This thread illustrates the stupidity of the American public.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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What law exempts members of congress? None as far as I know. Show me a law that exempts members of congress from paying social security. This thread illustrates the stupidity of the American public.
Obviously you do not know much. Your post illustrates your ignorance.

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The Senators and Representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the treasury of the United States. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

Source: Article I, Section 6, Clause 1 of the US Constitution
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:31 AM
 
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Obviously you do not know much. Your post illustrates your ignorance.
The email says, "[(they write themselves] exempt from prosecution for misconduct)".... incorrect.

"[T]he latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered...in all of its forms".... incorrect.

See the snopes and about.com links about this well-known 2009 email in posts above.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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What law exempts members of congress? None as far as I know. Show me a law that exempts members of congress from paying social security. This thread illustrates the stupidity of the American public.
The Congress was exempt from Social Security until 1983 when the law was amended. Social Security (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Congress is still exempt from many labor and other laws which affect the rest of society. I asume you do not exempt yourself from your comment concerning the stupidity of the American public.

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Old 07-01-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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The email says, "[(they write themselves] exempt from prosecution for misconduct)".... incorrect.
Really.... then please explain this exerpt from a Time Magazene article "Above Their Own Laws" dated Monday, May. 23, 1988...


"Michael Deaver and Lyn Nofziger face jail terms because their lobbying ran afoul of the Ethics in Government Law. Congressmen and their staffers who become lobbyists and do the same things have no fear: the law does not apply to them.

Congress's attitude, says Senator John Glenn, "is the rankest form of hypocrisy. Laws that are good enough for everybody else ought to be good enough for us." Instead, Congress has exempted itself from a broad array of laws covering civil rights, minimum wages, and safety requirements and discrimination. "Congress would exempt itself from the laws of gravity if it could," says Illinois Congressman Henry Hyde."

Read more: Above Their Own Laws - TIME

When it comes to government mis conduct the Libs tend to exempt themselves from reality.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Assuming that this thread was started in reaction to the passage of the health care reform bill, do you think that Congress has exempted themselves from this legislation? They haven't. From H.R. 3590:
"The new health care law exempts the president from having to participate in it. Leadership and committee staffers in the House and Senate who wrote the bill are exempted as well. A weasel-worded definition of “staff” includes only the members’ personal staff in the new system; the committee staff that drafted the legislation opted themselves out." EDITORIAL: No Obamacare for Obama - Washington Times

"...page 158 of the legislation, which appears to create a carve out for senior staff members in the leadership offices and on congressional committees, essentially exempting those senior Democrat staffers who wrote the bill from being forced to purchase health care plans in the same way as other Americans." This text goes on to acknowledge the wording above, which appears to make Obamacare apply to even politicians, but it goes on: "But as with a lot of legislative matters, the devil is in the details - or in this case, the definitions. As anyone who’s worked on Capitol Hill knows, the personal office staff for a member is governed by different rules than those who work on committees and in the leadership offices. It appears from the way this language is written that those staffers NOT in personal offices, such as those working and paid under the committee structure (such as those working for Chairman Henry Waxman) or those working on leadership staff (such as those working for Speaker Nancy Pelosi) would be exempt from these requirements....This problem was acknowledged earlier in the process - last year, Senator Grassley tried to repair it, but he was rebuffed."
Exempted from "Obamacare:" The Authors - CBS News

And, of course, unions and companies that grovel in front of Obama are also being granted waivers. Why would anyone want a waiver from something that's supposed to improve health care and lower costs? Because we now know without a doubt that Obamacare will do the opposite--in return for over $1 trillion in new taxes over 10 years that will hit those least able to afford it.

There's no way "The New Aristocracy of The Political Elite" will settle for the lousy health care and scarcity of physicians that Obamacare guarantees--even when taxpayers pick up the total (much higher) cost to the end user.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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It is a time-honored tradition for Congress to exempt itself from laws it passes. I remember reading how a disabled Congressman found out the halls of Congress were not accessible since Congress exempted itself from Americans with Disabilities act. Therefore I rate the chances of this amendment getting passed by Congress as zero.
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Old 03-23-2011, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This should be important to you whether you are an R, D or I.
_________________________________________________

C H E E R S
This will take less than thirty seconds to read. It makes sense. If you agree, please pass it on.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress can retire with full pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, that they exempt themselves from many of the laws they have passed (i.e. being exempt from prosecution for misconduct) unlike ordinary citizens. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered...in all of its forms. Seems illogical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. Whether Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever, the self-serving must stop. Consider the following - an idea whose time has come.

Have each person contact a minimum of Twenty people on their Address list, in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
In three days, most people in
The United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ".
I have told too many here that this can't possibly be entered as a possible amendment because according to the Consitution Congress has to either enter a possible amendment or they have to call a Constitutional Convention to propose the amendment. Congress critters don't ever intend to propose an amendment like this one and they sure as hell won't call a Convention to kick them to the roadside either.

This thing has been around for so long and I thought by now most here knew it is impossible.
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Old 03-23-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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Governors of 35 states have already filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (˜ of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

Yep, it is an unfunded mandate.

It's all an Email traveling across the Nation now- Thanks!
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