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Old 03-23-2010, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Congress health care vote: a dark day for freedom in America – Telegraph Blogs

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It is also a great leap forward by the United States towards a European-style vision of universal health care, which will only lead to soaring costs, higher taxes, and a surge in red tape for small businesses. This reckless legislation dramatically expands the power of the state over the lives of individuals, and could not be further from the vision of America’s founding fathers

Above all the health care bill is a thinly disguised vanity project for a president who is committed to transforming the United States from the world’s most successful large-scale free enterprise economy, to a highly interventionist society with a massive role for centralized government. The United States has thrived as a nation for over 230 years precisely because of its love for freedom and its belief in free markets.
I'm sure the Founders are rolling in their graves at what the radical in the White House is doing to this country.
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:53 PM
 
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Congress health care vote: a dark day for freedom in America – Telegraph Blogs



I'm sure the Founders are rolling in their graves at what the radical in the White House is doing to this country.
I think the founding fathers are too tired to spin in their graves after the eight years spinning in their graves from what 'Dubya' was doing to it-
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:55 PM
 
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I think the founding fathers are too tired to spin in their graves after the eight years spinning in their graves from what 'Dubya' was doing to it-
Exactly!
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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The only dark day is for Republicans. They lost worse today than in anytime since their last great losses: Medicare, Social Security and now health care. What is so bizarre is that these very people will gratefully take advantage of this government program just like they grab onto their social security check and are grateful that grandma has Medicare. It is always the dimwits who oppose even what is best for themselves.
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:00 PM
 
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So, a British conservative commentator (who most Americans have never heard of) thinks universal health care is a bad idea. Big deal.
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:05 PM
 
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So, a British conservative commentator (who most Americans have never heard of) thinks universal health care is a bad idea. Big deal.
Well, when one scours the media all day searching for Obama bashes, one cannot be picky as to the sources...as long as it suits one's agenda.
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:17 PM
 
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I doubt if the founding fathers are having grave rolling problems. I'm sure ignorant political hacks are having hissy fits.
You know, the kind that go out of their way to find insidious links to substantiate their muck raking, divisive, inflamatory, anti-american dogma.
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:21 PM
 
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The founding fathers may not have pictured today but they would be celebrating its existence knowing that their ideas still thrive in the souls of the citizens of the country they birthed.

If they were to turn over in their graves it would be because there are so many citizens who fail to accept the collective responsibility that goes with enjoying our many freedoms to begin with. There is an apparently limitless number of responsibilities that will always be associated with freedom. They are the only things freedom doesn't allow you to be free of! You can't escape the responsibility for your actions and in any free society, you cannot escape the responsibility of how you treat each other.

I support socialized medicine for the same reasons I support socialized fire and police protection and socialized education. There are basic human needs and rights (life, liberty, etc., including health) that should NEVER be run for profit! We may each individually create our own "little boxes", our own lives and realities, but collectively, none of them are worth it if they can't be "placed on top of each other" to build a better one for all. We either contribute to the whole and demand results or live behind a bunker and hope for the best. I pick the former scenario.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:05 AM
 
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I hope enough people are starting to realize that this isn't a government takeover of U.S health care.


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Despite the fact that the federal health insurance plan (a.k.a. the “public option”) is now gone from the bill, Republicans and conservative groups have continued to claim that the bill institutes a system like the one in the United Kingdom, or Canada, or otherwise amounts to a government takeover. It doesn’t. A pure government-run system was never among the leading Democratic proposals, much to the chagrin of single-payer advocates. Instead, the bill builds on our current system of private insurance, and in fact, drums up more business for private companies by mandating that individuals buy coverage and giving many subsidies to do so...


A Final Weekend of Whoppers? | FactCheck.org
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:07 AM
 
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The founding fathers may not have pictured today but they would be celebrating its existence knowing that their ideas still thrive in the souls of the citizens of the country they birthed.

If they were to turn over in their graves it would be because there are so many citizens who fail to accept the collective responsibility that goes with enjoying our many freedoms to begin with. There is an apparently limitless number of responsibilities that will always be associated with freedom. They are the only things freedom doesn't allow you to be free of! You can't escape the responsibility for your actions and in any free society, you cannot escape the responsibility of how you treat each other.

I support socialized medicine for the same reasons I support socialized fire and police protection and socialized education. There are basic human needs and rights (life, liberty, etc., including health) that should NEVER be run for profit! We may each individually create our own "little boxes", our own lives and realities, but collectively, none of them are worth it if they can't be "placed on top of each other" to build a better one for all. We either contribute to the whole and demand results or live behind a bunker and hope for the best. I pick the former scenario.
Yeah, the use of force and fraud always works best.

It's what keeps America strong!

Do your part everybody!

What is good for the Hartford is good for your country.
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