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I've lost all respect for the Catholic nuns. They have voted for forced "social justice" in place of voluntary charity. Shame on them to push the vote for oppression by the government.
Do you really believe that charitable donations would cover you if you had a heart attack and didn't have insurance, or if you had coverage, but a serious illness used up your annual or lifetime maximum benefit? You can't be that naive. Or are you suggesting that everyone claim bankruptcy or become so poor they are eligible for Medicaid in order to receive medical coverage? The way health care costs have been soaring along with the high increase in insurance premiums, we surely would have been a Medicaid state in 10 or 15 years.
Today there is a child somewhere, maybe thousands of children, who were denied treatment due to no fault of their own. Now they have a chance. Soon a college graduate who can't find a job with health care benefits can stay on his parents' plan until he's 26.
In 6 months I'd like to revisit this thread and ask how you've been "oppressed" by our government. The people who have been oppressed are those who died while they were denied medical care.
It says Obama's adminstration interpreted the bill to be exactly as he stated. That isn't the definition of a lie. You can argue that the bill is so complicated that even the President doesn't know what it means..but it's still not a lie.
Wow, just wow! We have a president who doesn't even know what he signed into law???? Sounds like a dereliction of duty. Could he be impeached for that?
Good thing my daughters ins co didn't know that since she had each and every claim paid for various...and some extremely expensive...specialists and medications for 10 years before the lab tests finally concurred with the doctors diagnosis
Sure glad the doc didn't refuse to treat her all that time waiting for her body to comply with the only available tests
What is covered or not depends on the policy. Many policies will not cover treatment/prescriptions for a disease/condition that has been ruled out by lab test results.
What is covered or not depends on the policy. Many policies will not cover treatment/prescriptions for a disease/condition that has been ruled out by lab test results.
3rd time today....it's coming in handy.......
"if you say so"
A change from "Whatever"
Do you really believe that charitable donations would cover you if you had a heart attack and didn't have insurance, or if you had coverage, but a serious illness used up your annual or lifetime maximum benefit? You can't be that naive. Or are you suggesting that everyone claim bankruptcy or become so poor they are eligible for Medicaid in order to receive medical coverage? The way health care costs have been soaring along with the high increase in insurance premiums, we surely would have been a Medicaid state in 10 or 15 years.
Today there is a child somewhere, maybe thousands of children, who were denied treatment due to no fault of their own. Now they have a chance. Soon a college graduate who can't find a job with health care benefits can stay on his parents' plan until he's 26.
In 6 months I'd like to revisit this thread and ask how you've been "oppressed" by our government.
My liberties were oppressed the moment the ink hit the paper. I've lost all right to privacy with medical confidentiality. The federal government can now access it anytime they wish and for whatever reason they wish (violation of 4th Amendment).
My taxes are increase, my medical insurance premiums are increase and in 2014 I am forced out of my current plan and forced to choose one the Secretary of HHS deems "acceptable". If I do not I face fines/jail/seizure of my home by the IRS. It is likely I will be taxed an additional 3.5% on my investment income.
Shall I go one about the oppression this possibly unConstitutional law causes me personally?
It is insane to cover people on their parent's plans until they are 26. No personal responsibilty whatsoever. One can go out and purchase insurance as an individual and does not have to wait for an employer to offer it.
Somehow a girl under the age of 16 is mature enough to consent to abortion without her parents consent but an adult over 21 is not mature or responsible enough to purchase their own health insurance?
3rd time today....it's coming in handy.......
"if you say so"
A change from "Whatever"
What are you rambling incoherently about?
Here's exactly what I said:
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
What is covered or not depends on the policy. Many policies will not cover treatment/prescriptions for a disease/condition that has been ruled out by lab test results.
Have you never been in the position where you had to compare health insurance policies to find the most cost-effective option for yourself and/or your family, specifically in regards to what they will and will not cover?
Much better idea to spend close to a trillion dollars on a bill no one has read
So it was a better idea to invade a country based on the possibility that its President might have Weapons of Mass Destruction? In 2003 we invaded Iraq because of the "perception" that its leader was a threat.
According to the Congressional Budget Office, the new Health Bill will cut the deficit by $138 billion in the first 10 years and approx one trillion in the next decade. The opposition is always screaming about the Democrat's reckless spending, but historical facts prove that under the Republican presidents, our national debt increased.
Why weren't you upset when Bush signed into Law the Medicare Modernization Act (Medicare Advantage, Medicare Part D) that cost taxpayers billions while making private companies rich?
[URL="http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republican-budget-hypocrisy-health-care-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html"]This is from Forbes,[/URL] a very conservative financial publication.
"Just to be clear, the Medicare drug benefit was a pure giveaway with a gross cost greater than either the House or Senate health reform bills how being considered. Together the new bills would cost roughly $900 billion over the next 10 years, while Medicare Part D will cost $1 trillion."
"Moreover, there is a critical distinction--the drug benefit had no dedicated financing, no offsets and no revenue-raisers; 100% of the cost simply added to the federal [URL="http://topics.forbes.com/budget%20deficit"][/URL]budget deficit whereas the health reform measures now being debated will be paid for with a combination of spending cuts and tax increases, adding nothing to the deficit over the next 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office."
My liberties were oppressed the moment the ink hit the paper. I've lost all right to privacy with medical confidentiality.
If you get any private insurance now, that goes into your file. So you never heard of the MIB? It collects all your medical information to protect private insurers so they can deny you coverage or underwrite policies based on pre-existing conditions. As soon as you complete an application, the MIB searches through the records of its 500+ members to see if you've ever submitted a claim.
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The federal government can now access it anytime they wish and for whatever reason they wish (violation of 4th Amendment).
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Do you honestly believe this is something new? Don't get a driver's license if you're worried about Big Brother watching you. There are over 307 million people living in the United States. If you think someone is peeking into your personal medical records, I suggest you seek therapy immediately. Maybe you don't itemize your annual taxes, but when you do, you often list your medical expenses. I'm sure you realize that the IRS is a government agency. Anything you list as a deduction on your tax return can be questioned in detail since it has to be medically necessary.
If you have an HSA then you must use any funds withdrawn from it for personal medical expenses. Although the list has been expanded to include many over-the-counter purchases, the IRS can request receipts showing you used the tax deferred money for approved medical expenses.
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
My taxes are increase, my medical insurance premiums are increase and in 2014 I am forced out of my current plan and forced to choose one the Secretary of HHS deems "acceptable". If I do not I face fines/jail/seizure of my home by the IRS. It is likely I will be taxed an additional 3.5% on my investment income.
You must watch Fox. Nothing in the bill mandates that you leave your current plan if you're happy with it.
Here's the thing... Read the article - both House and Senate committees KNEW about this, and let Obama continue to spew this LIE repeatedly anyway. Isn't that nice.
Nothing that comes out of obama's mouth is believeable in the least.
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