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Old 03-24-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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But, but, but, but.......what about states' rights?

The state of Washington allows pregnant teens to make a private decision to have an abortion without any requirement of parental notification or consent.

Oh that's right - conservatives throw states' rights out the window when it comes to issues they don't support.

No problem, I don't have to pay for them then do I? Oh wait, but you like to have it both ways right? you like to force a person clothe, feed, and shelter their children and then you want to step in and tell the parents they have no say in the behavior of their children? Sell your double speak to someone else.
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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If you don't have kids, please don't breed. I suspect you do based on your post. I feel really, really sorry for them. Folks....this is why kids can't go to their parents when they are in crisis.
That is your problem, you "feel" all the way to raising brats who disrespect everyone around them, have no responsibility, lack any honor or integrity, and harass and terrorize people with their demands and hands out.

I would say the same to you, but I would assume you have already littered the world with such irresponsible progeny.
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Parents don't have total dominion over their children - no matter what the age.

The state of Washington and its residents have made the decision that this is one such instance in which the rights of the minor superseded the rights of the parent.
The age of majority was set by Federal law in 1972 and it is 18, and a Minor may not be bound by a legal contract. anything requiring a signature at the hospital (clinic) is considered a contract. which a MINOR can not legally enter into, under federal law. the state can ADD to that law, (ie making it 21), but they can not take away from that federal law
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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There is nothing wrong with what the state did in this situation, they were simply doing their job. The girl obviously sought out help and they were providing her with a service that she asked for. If they didn't provide it they would have been breaking the law in that state so whatever moral decisions they were making were not theirs to make, they were the girls. The only person really at fault here was the mother, who was such a terrible parent that the poor girl felt she couldn't turn to her in such a bad situation.
I just recently watched a Law and Order SVU episode (yes I know they are just stories) where a high school girl from a religious town/family got pregnant and ended up giving herself an abortion by beating on her stomach because she was too afraid to go to her family because she knew they would throw her out on the street. That is what happens when you are an intolerant parent with your head in the sand and your impractical beliefs on your sleeve. Talk about ripped from the headlines, I'm sure this actually does happen sometimes. Very sad.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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So you are saying a 15 year old is ready to become a mother?
My grandmother had children by that age. They all turned out great as did she. Married for 50 + years before her death.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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how about if the child was 12
child is still a minor.....

Sometimes, we hear the phrase "minor child". In reality, that phrase is an oxymoron. The word "minor" connotes a "child" because any person (not just 12 years old) under the age of majority (18) is a "minor". It is a rare case, indeed, when we would refer to a 1 year old, for example, as a "minor". We normally refer to a 1 year old as a child; but, the reality is, a child is a person under the age of majority. So, it would be correct to say, "That 17 year old is a child" - - although, by the time a child reaches their teen years, we normally refer to such person as a "minor".
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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Since when is a 15 year old capable and mature enough to make life decisions? How about we allow all 15 year olds the ability to carry a gun to school too, since some people think they are mature enough to know how to handle one.

Parents have a right to know, and agree to, any procedure being conducted on a minor they are gardians over. End of story.
Fifteen yr. olds are NOT allowed to schedule any medical surgery or procedure without parental/legal guardian signed consent with the exception of abortion. Yet, abortion carries real health risks to the girl/woman. Why then, other than political agenda, should the parental/legal guardianship consent be waived for this medical procedure?



This is only going to get worse with the new "health reform" law. Planned Parenthood will actually be allowed to run medical clinics IN the schools. The funding is in the bill for just that provision.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:04 PM
 
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The age of majority was set by Federal law in 1972 and it is 18, and a Minor may not be bound by a legal contract. anything requiring a signature at the hospital (clinic) is considered a contract. which a MINOR can not legally enter into, under federal law. the state can ADD to that law, (ie making it 21), but they can not take away from that federal law
You misunderstand contracts and minors.

Minors MOST CERTAINLY can enter into contracts. Like you pointed out, minors cannot be bound to contracts (most contracts that is - there are types of contracts minors are bound to).

Minor can enter into contracts, they just have the right to leave them (not be bound by them) - essentially at will. That's why many companies choose not to contract with minors.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: square thing with a roof
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The school was wrong, IMO. If something happened to that girl during the abortion, the school would be held liable for the loss of her life.

I understand why the Mom went to the media about it. She wanted to alert other parents that "this could be your kid" ... and IMO, she did the right thing by exposing the fact that her child's school overstepped its boundaries.

If it were my daughter, I'd have been very upset too -- simply because their mistake could have cost her, her life.

I only have a teenage son, but almost lost him twice due to Dr.'s mistakes during surgery. I really do understand where this Mom is coming from.
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Old 03-24-2010, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I guess people didn't read this on the first page. The law governing age of consent for contraception and abortion is state specific. They did not, according to the law in Washington State, need the mother's consent.

http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/mch/cahcp/A_of_C.pdf (broken link)

http://depts.washington.edu/adolmed/...ent%20Laws.pdf
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