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Old 03-24-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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I am a young professional... and I am cool with health care reform.
So how much are you willing to work for the gov to take? I mean with all the taxes we pay not just income
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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If conservatives think they can use violence and intimidation to win, they have another thing coming. This will only unite the Democrats against their thuggish behavior. Soon people will wake up to just how violent this movement is.
Maybe, your a little young or need to brush up on some History. Here let me guide you to a site by a black man who tells you who the violent ones are........The Long, Sad, Violent History of Democrats' Racial Hatred for Blacks

For decades the Party of Lincoln has been under almost constant assault for being "racist" and "openly hostile" to blacks.
However, nothing could be further from the truth – but you would never know it by the party's spineless, practically nonexistent defense of its record on race and civil rights.
From the days of Lincoln until the present, blacks have had no better friend, party-wise, than the Republicans. Since its inception in the mid-19th century, the GOP has built an exemplary record on civil rights, particularly if you want to use the Democrat Party as a comparison.

Read the whole article and then tell us who has kept the people down.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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And by the way, the IRS wants your bank account and routing numbers so they can pull an electronic funds transfer to pay the fine you think doesn't exist.

The Bills on the net show me the fine in it.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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I see you have no clue whats in the bill either. You just listen to stupid on the radio and parrot what you hear.
Well I guess that about sums up why so many dems like this bill. THEY HAVE NO FREAKING CLUE WHAT'S IN IT.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:36 PM
 
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This is what I'm talking about. Instead of denouncing the people doing these things and working to push them out of your movement, you create excuses and blame others for their behavior (when you acknowledge they exist at all). I have no doubt that there are nutters on the left, and if there were a substantial number of them in a group I was in, I would condemn them and either leave the group or seek to have them pushed our or at least isolated within the group. But you don't do that. You attempt to deny the existence of these incidents and shift the blame so that you won't have to risk demotivating the angry mobs with talk of responsible, adult behavior.

Also, there are literally thousands of incidents not involving leftists (though 'leftist' seems to be the conservative catch-all phrase for everything bad in the world, so maybe by your definition you are in fact right).
Ok listen up melon rat , you will learn something. Where you are confused or just plain ignorant is, the supposed movement or group you are alluding to is in actuality the God fearing, Freedom loving, American people, so as I stated when you as a federal government over step with reckless abandon, and put your own Lust for power and control above the will of the people the people will fight back. If you want to try to pretend that this some right wing movement you will surely be more disappointed down the road.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Maybe, your a little young or need to brush up on some History. Here let me guide you to a site by a black man who tells you who the violent ones are........The Long, Sad, Violent History of Democrats' Racial Hatred for Blacks

For decades the Party of Lincoln has been under almost constant assault for being "racist" and "openly hostile" to blacks.
However, nothing could be further from the truth – but you would never know it by the party's spineless, practically nonexistent defense of its record on race and civil rights.
From the days of Lincoln until the present, blacks have had no better friend, party-wise, than the Republicans. Since its inception in the mid-19th century, the GOP has built an exemplary record on civil rights, particularly if you want to use the Democrat Party as a comparison.

Read the whole article and then tell us who has kept the people down.
I wasn't actually bringing up race in that post, I was referring to general violent tendencies on the part of the tea parties. Nevertheless, I'll explain why what you're saying is intentionally misleading. The Democrats were conservatives back then. When the Democrats began embracing civil rights and progressivism, the conservatives in the party promptly left for the Republican party, taking their racism with them. The entire strategy of the Republicans for 30 years was to take advantage of white fear and antagonism towards blacks. Do you wonder why the south is the stronghold of the Republican party? Make no mistake: the Republicans are no longer the party of Lincoln and T. Roosevelt. The Democrats may have had an unfortunate history, but they are the ones carrying on the tradition that the early Republicans started.

EDIT: Oh, never mind! You were never actually commenting on the Democratic Party, you were commenting on the "Democrat Party" which doesn't actually exist!
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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I see you have no clue whats in the bill either. You just listen to stupid on the radio and parrot what you hear.
Question, do you live under a rock?

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Are there penalties if you don't buy insurance?

If you ignore this mandate and don’t get health insurance, you’ll have to pay a tax penalty to the federal government, beginning in 2014. This fine starts fairly small, but by the time it is fully phased in, in 2016, it is substantial.
An insurance-less person would have to pony up whichever is greater: $695 for each uninsured family member, up to a maximum of $2,085; or 2.5 percent of household income.
There are exceptions. Certain people with religious objections would not have to get health insurance. Nor would American Indians, illegal immigrants, or people in prison.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:43 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The Bills on the net show me the fine in it.
Good, we're making progress... please remit your bank account and routing numbers to the IRS to facilitate the ETF fines you'll be paying if you choose to not purchase government-mandated, government-approved health insurance.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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I'm not advocating violence in any way shape or form here, but that's often how right-wing extremist handle such matters.

Sadly enough, this could very well result in someone(s) getting hurt badly.

Granted, this is by no means the way to handle such an issue but they don't see it that way.

They feel, from what I've gathered anyway, that they can make the government capitulate somehow to some degree by way of extreme violence.

What this often does is make some in society question the governments sincerity in protecting it's citizens, which quite naturally applies pressure to make amendments to their approach to governing.

Part of the problem here in America is that so many have become dependent on Ol Uncle Sam and it's resulted in the feeling of instability, which in a seemingly overall impression is tantamount to fear.

Just look at France. When they feel their government is acting inappropriately they take to the streets and raise hell about it. Many here would say that's something Ill-advanced or something of centuries past but it's proven effective over the years and the people have demanded better treatment with + results. I'm no socialist really, just sayin...

Anyway, the fact they've gone through seventeen constitutions doesn't mean jack-**** to me really. As far as I'm concerned that translates into the fact that they're gov. still fears it's people, whereas over here the people fear the government.
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:45 PM
 
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Question, do you live under a rock?
So there is a tax? No fine I wonder why right wing conservative Nazi's would claim it's a fine.
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