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The poll finds that 62 percent want Congressional Republicans to keep challenging the bill, while 33 percent say they should not do so. Nearly nine in ten Republicans and two in three independents want the GOP to keep challenging. Even 41 percent of Democrats support continued challenges.
"A CBS News poll released Wednesday finds that nearly two in three Americans want Republicans in Congress to continue to challenge parts of the health care reform bill."
Probably the part most unpopular is the individual mandate and the penalties associated with it.
It should be made known that states can come up with their own health plans without the burden of a mandate, if they so choose.
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So before wasting tax payer money on unnecessary lawsuits, stop being a slacker, be more conservative and efficient, and do the work to read through the 2,000 pages 1st.
If you don't like RomneyCare 2.0 aka ObammieCare, if you're not the party of no, the party of no clue, if you're for states' rights, well then you're in luck.
"Why don't you use the waiver provision to let you go set up your own plan?" the senator asked those who threaten health-care-related lawsuits. "Why would you just say you are going to sue everybody, when this bill gives you the authority and the legal counsel is on record as saying you can do it without an individual mandate?"
A large chunk of the people who oppose THE CURRENT HEALTH BILLS, want health reform overall, but understandably see the current bills as a health industry bailout.
Pass Grayson's bill and the Dems got themselves not a super majority but an uber-majority come 2012.
"A CBS News poll released Wednesday finds that nearly two in three Americans want Republicans in Congress to continue to challenge parts of the health care reform bill."
Probably the part most unpopular is the individual mandate and the penalties associated with it.
It should be made known that states can come up with their own health plans without the burden of a mandate, if they so choose.
Most states in this country have enough on their plate and are in the financial hurtbag. The US Federal Govt has issued an unfunded mandate to almost every state thanks to this bill and On top of that unfunded mandate you expect them to create their own health insurance plans that covers everyone in their state?
Does any Democrat live in reality? The Federal Government is broke and many states are struggling to keep their heads above water.
That's a fascinating poll result, especially since 62% of Americans obviously didn't vote Republican in the last Presidential election. Unless, as has been suggested, the poll only called upon certain Americans for responses.
I will agree though that this is a healthcare industry bailout. For now. Eventually they will go out of business...too much paid out and not enough being taken in and then gov't will come to the rescue.
But that's a few years away; plenty enough time to plan.
Most states in this country have enough on their plate and are in the financial hurtbag.
And who voted against the stimulus that included aids to the states? Who fought against Buy America provisions in the stimulus to protect their foreign friends?
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Remember, how people were complaining that jobs from the stimulus were being funneled overseas.
Well look who opposed strong Buy America provisions.
They seem to have forgotten that the stimulus is supposed to stimulate the American economy.
If instead of tax cuts for businesses that don't want to invest domestically in order to appease Repubs who were never going to vote yay anyway, we could have put that money into our much deserving manufacturing sector (http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/newscenter/pressreleases/2009/01/16/strong-domestic-sourcing-requirements-create-33-more-manufacturing-jobs/ - broken link).
The US Federal Govt has issued an unfunded mandate to almost every state thanks to this bill and On top of that unfunded mandate you expect them to create their own health insurance plans that covers everyone in their state?
1st the deficit hawks cry about the debt, but do the criers tell their cult followers the true source of debt that could break the nation.
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And both sides of the aisle are in agreement about the REAL cause of debt.
"Your budget appears to agree with the Obama team on an important premise: The deficit problem is a health-care problem.
Absolutely. Just look at the numbers. It’s not a theory. It’s a fact."
Even a guy that seems to lean toward the Dems agrees that the GOP plan is a hardcore deficit killer.
But the key is cost control, firm federal cost control.
"An important note to understanding how Ryan's budget saves money: It's not through privatization, though everything does get privatized. It's through firm, federal cost controls."
Well, as it looks, I'm looking forward to meeting tomorrow. And I hope the Dems look at the use of federal cost controls to handle our long term debt problem.
So are you saying that not only do you want to be as fiscally irresponsible as Junior, you are also saying no to states' rights also like Junior.
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Does any Democrat live in reality? The Federal Government is broke and many states are struggling to keep their heads above water.
And what Beckian reality have you been living in?
Are you forgetting under whose watch led us to this predicament?
Despite all the delusional fantasies courtesy of the Rushie and Fox Show, this video is an oasis of reality in the Beck fabricated alternate reality that pervades way too much of the economic and political debate in this country.
1. BOTH Gipper and Senior had enough sense that the surest way to reduce debt, especially during a recession is,...., TO RAISE TAXES,.., STUPID.
2. It was under a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS along with Senior as President, that PayGo was established. This meant that all programs that can be implemented MUST BE PAID FOR IN FULL.
3. It was under a DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT with a GOP congress that we had one of the few SURPLUSES in recent American history.
4. It was under Junior and the GOP Congress that fiscal responsibility was tossed out the window, and irresponsibility was became the name of the game.
5. The revelation WHY President Obama was so focused on health reform, instead of the economy, for much of his freshman year. It was a pretty good reason, even though many, (myself included) did not agree with the way he want about things.
In conclusion, given 2, 3, 4 & 5, one side of the aisle really has as much claim to fiscal responsibility as one media entity has to fair & balanced,.., in short ZERO.
And those yelling about the debt, cannot cry and whine about taxes. Do the math, debt is created by revenues being lower than spending. The way to reduce debt is to either cut spending or raise taxes.
Since most of the spending goes to health care for seniors (the most active voting demographic) plus one entitlement (yes despite their current rants against entitlements) that was created by the administration of fiscal irresponsibility and also defense, spending reduction is not likely to happen since it would politically costly for any party and politician.
The tax cuts under Junior were generally for the rich. Yes that 1% of the population making 250K and over that feels they are middle classers just barely making ends meet.
So either they have to be the class of fiscal responsibility and pay tax rates they did a long, long time ago (wow a decade feels like a century ago) OR they will be the ones dooming generations of Americans, our children, grandchildren, great gran,.., well you get the idea.
The Federal Government has a massive deficit and I don't care whose fault it is. I just want it dealt with, enough of the finger pointing.
This bill raises the deficit and puts states in a very difficult situation. That is reality. Maybe if the Dems would have created a bill that would have lowered costs and made real reforms I would buy into it but all this bill does is put more people into a broken system.
If there is any reality I buy into it is the "Petersonian Reality" who is a Dem. Rep from MN...
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Peterson said he had talked with many people in the district about the need for reform of the nation’s health care system.
“The clear consensus was that we needed to reduce the cost of health care – for individuals, families, employers and the government,” and to expand coverage and fix other problems “without destroying the parts of the system that are working,” he said.
“If the bills we voted on (Sunday) had measured up to these standards, I would have supported them, but they did not. In my judgment, while these bills deliver some good things, they miss the mark on the most important things and will not deliver as promised.”
Peterson said the legislation won’t control costs and doesn’t reform Medicare, and it will cover just 37 percent of the uninsured people in his district while covering an average of 68 percent of the uninsured across the country.
Now kovert, in all fairness, Obama signed that stimulus bill with that wording removed.
Why didn't he send it back to Congress ? The Repubs were a minority and the Dems had the super majority vote to have it put in and passed.
Honestly..both sides caved into the multi-national corporations who didn't want that wording in the bill.
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